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Originally Posted by NYG
Bruh, you can't be serious.... Do you watch anything outside of F1?
Trust me. Just like I told you from testing that the new Mercedes was going to suck, Audi/Porsche will be top teams in 2026. These regulations are already going in place - Audi/Porsche already have a head start on everyone on top of their experience with "sustainable" engines. This is literally how Mercedes became dominant. Is it possible? Sure but doubting this is equally as dopey as coping with how Mercedes can still make some magic happen with their shitbox every race.
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Just because a team dominates outside of f1 doesn't mean they will have a remote chance of success in f1. Do you realize how many years in a row people say the mercedes will sucks? Eventually one person will get it right. You don't even have scientific backing or justification on why it sucks, you just don't like how it looks and have hatred towards the team because of Hamilton. So if you want to refute this please, provide some CFD data and not just emotionally based talking points.
The team that partners with redbull will be fine, because it is a redbull with a title sponsor on top. The team that goes solo will suffer because they have zero formula one experience. How do you expect a team to make a championship winning f1 chassis with zero prior knowledge or experience? There are so many minor traps that can occur for reliability issues, electrical issues etc. Look at honda they've been making f1 engines for a while now and with a bump of 5% ethanol to make the fuels e10, they are DNF'ing non stop and having major reliability issues. You expect a team that has never had any experience to come in and make a flawless chassis, that is an absurd thought. It will take audi or porsche years before they can make a chassis that can compete, even Adrian Newey and redbull in the first few years couldn't compete it takes time to learn and develop. The same thing with mercedes, it wasn't an over night success. Also audi or porsche (which ever one is going solo) don't even have a facility or staff yet.
In terms of the engine, I think you are over estimating them. F1 engine architectures are completely different to every single racing class thus far, and they're starting from nothing. They again will have to build from nothing and learn from nothing, while mercedes will be starting from something. So audi or porsche will have to build a platform, while trying to dial out the kinks, and some how catch up with 8 years of engine development. This is while mercedes will be developing their current platform, so some how audi/porsche will have to do all that development and catch up with mercedes's current advancement. That on top of them having zero running data of an f1 engine, look at honda - 5% increase in ethanol and it already has major reliability issues, and this is on a platform it has developed for years - audi has zero experience at all to go off of. It is simply implausible to think they will have a remote chance right at the start of 2026. So while audi/porsche have to build an engine, mercedes already have some where to start and 8 years of developmental experience as a lead.
If they partner with redbull, audi or porsche will be doing minor contributions at best. They will likely be just a title sponsor, because redbull is never going to outright sell their engine power plant to another company because if they leave redbull will be in a tight pinch for an engine just like how they are now that honda has left. And they clearly will not just let audi/porsche do everything because if they leave redbull will not have any expertise on how to build an engine. So in reality if it is a joint venture it will be all redbull powertrains with audi/porsche branding slapped ontop. If this is the case the engine will be competitive because it is piggybacking off of honda's architecture.
BTW there is an engine budget cap that may come into play too, so if this comes into effect audi/porsche and redbull will have a really fun time trying to catch up.
So if you disagree with said statements, please explain how they will catch up and learn all the little caviots about the engine and the chassis in time for 2026? No team has dominated upon entry into f1 before, even redbull with newey took years to build up their infrastructure and knowledge before they could win. Like I said before, if they partner with redbull on engines they will be fine, if they go solo they are likely not going to be competitive for awhile.