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AFAIK the FF on the F-series M3/M4 is not 10w60. You can use BMW LL-01 on those motors, so it's probably a 5w40 or something.
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Just curious if others are aware of a rumor that M1 0w40 is no longer LL-01? On amazon I went to purchase a couple of 5 quart jugs (our Cayenne Turbo uses it) to switch over after years of this (and the fact that my 08 DID eat the rod bearings).
If anyone has any history on that certification process, why M1 no longer has it, etc., I would appreciate if you can chime in. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1061057 Above is a fairly old post regarding the process.
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It's not a rumor, it's a fact: The new "FS" version doesn't carry LL-01 anymore. Queries to XOM (by BITOG members) have not revealed anything useful like "it is currently pending" or "we no longer have interest in holding this approval". For whatever reason, it's no longer LL-01. That being said, it's still a very stout oil and one of XOM's halo products.
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Oops. I posted while still in the middle of the thread. Sorry about that. Whether LL-01 or not, if these psi rankings have any basis in reality for engine wear protection, then it seems to be the best to use. I have a 2006 M5 with 106,000 km on it. Just did an oil sample test after 300 km on a new oil change (with a bypass filter) and have no wear metals - but have 2.4% fuel dilution and a reduction in viscosity (which rat 540 says is not materially relevant to engine wear). OK> Now I doubly apologize. Apparently rat 540i is the subject of much controversy and his testing method is not relevant (one-armed bandit) to where shampoo does well in the test. This is spite of the number of testimonials from people who have followed his advice. Well, live and learn. I'm keeping 10W60 (liqui moly) for the winter, but using an oil pan heater lit up for a few hours before taking the car out in dry weather, from time to time. I want to see what my oil sample analysis will show next year. Last edited by gmak2012; 10-05-2016 at 01:25 PM.. |
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No update, the new FS version still does not carry BMW's LL-01 cert, but everything else is still intact (MB, Porsche A40, Nissan GT-R).
Kawasaki00 verified no issue with oil pressure with 0W40, and I've been running it since 1200mi break-in with absolute no issue. I feel like you have to do your own research on engine lubrication and convince yourself 0W40 is more suitable. It's no coincidence RAT540 tested the new FS and returned a better result, because theoretically, the new GTL base oil is suppose to be superior. |
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New 0W-40 has a worse cold pour point, if nothing else.
I'm running it on my M3 wagon (didn't realize they had reformulated-- I wouldn't be had I realized sooner it was no longer LL01 certified) and have noticeably higher oil temps than my M3 coupe (TWS). In short, I won't be running it again. I'll likely move the wagon to GC 0w-40. Coupe gets tracked, so absolutely not moving it off TWS.
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Fwiw I ran Mobil 1 0w40 for several changes and noticed the increased consumption many have experienced. Switched to Redline 5w40 and consumption has dropped to near zero. My car has nearly 90k on it
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I'm running RL 0w40 in e46 and e36/7 in winter-- Superior to Mobil 1, IMHO ;-) Run a mix of 5w50 and 10w60 in the S65.
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Pour point is not a very useful measurement and it can be easily changed with additives known as "pour point depressants". Pumpability (CCS/MRV) is more indicative of cold weather performance since that's what the oil pump is doing.
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This is my pics of BE rod bearing #8 after 50,000 km on M1 0W-40.
Looks like new. Outside temps from -25C up to +30C. Last edited by toolshed; 07-26-2018 at 04:54 AM.. |
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What was the reason ypu took them out? Any special reason to run thin oil with these extended clearance shells mate? Thanks! |
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This is good to see, but still one point in isolation without a ton of context.
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Apparently it is still a good oil for use with normal rod bearing clearances. Lamborghini and Audi used it on their 8000 rpm V8s and Porsche on its 8000 rpm boxer 6s.
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Also FF for the GT-R and Lexus LFA...
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Interesting data for 0W40.
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