No more Castrol in 2015?

[Sinful]

Originally Posted by Wilsel

Could it be because of the Rod Bearing failures?

All threads lead back to bearings...

[maloo]

Originally Posted by WWM3

How long have you used the Pennzoil Euro? Do you do Blackstones? I know they like Pennzoil Euro on BITOG.

Highly recommended! About 7K miles total. I did not do a Blackstone at 6k miles when I changed the oil. I'm a late comer to this forum so I now know to do a Blackstone in about 5k miles when I do my next oil change. What amazed me is that I actually burn a little less oil on the the lighter Pennzoil than the 10w60. About 1 quart every 5k miles on the 10w60 and 1 quart for the 6k mile change on the 5w40. May not be enough difference to be statistically valid but I thought it would be worse not slightly better. It's an amazing oil that comes up to operating temperature much quicker than 10w60 and it does not retain heat heat as long as 10w60 when I shut the car down. It's Ferrari factory fill and like our M3s, they have high revving engines so I figured it can't be too bad. The bonus is that although Pennzoil is not quite as cheap as Mobil, at $6 a quart it's much cheaper than Castrol.

[m3ray]

Anyone know where to buy the Shell Pennzoil 10w-60?

[maloo]

Originally Posted by m3ray

Anyone know where to buy the Shell Pennzoil 10w-60?

http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/peulra10fusy.html

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by maloo

http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/peulra10fusy.html

Thanks, is it sold in smaller containers though?

I guess I could buy the 5 gallon and just measure it out.

[maloo]

Originally Posted by m3ray

Thanks, is it sold in smaller containers though?

I guess I could buy the 5 gallon and just measure it out.

I could not find it in a smaller quantity but I'm guessing they will have to go to a more "retail" friendly size in 2015 when they take over the BMW account for Castrol?

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by maloo

I could not find it in a smaller quantity but I'm guessing they will have to go to a more "retail" friendly size in 2015 when they take over the BMW account for Castrol?

Yeah I am sure they were will be more retail options then. Thanks again.

[G80indy]

Z K
Actually I believe the RL film strength is about right considering TWS in extended OCIs is not getting it done for the bearings.
Look at pour point.
It flows better at low temp. But I don't run the car in winter so that is moot, to me.
And I will not run long OCIs. That is madness with this engine.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by 330indy

Z K
Actually I believe the RL film strength is about right considering TWS in extended OCIs is not getting it done for the bearings.
Look at pour point.
It flows better at low temp. But I don't run the car in winter so that is moot, to me.
And I will not run long OCIs. That is madness with this engine.

No, it is not about film strength as I mentioned in the other thread. The problem is the bearing clearance is too small and the oil has a hard time lubricating it. Using an oil that is even thicker than TWS makes the problem worse.

Film strength is worthless if the oil can't even get in to lubricate it because there is no film on the bearings!

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by m3ray

Wow Castro has been BMW's provider for a while now. Do I have to trade in my Castrol oil cap for a Shell one now

Bertolli's, for the EVOO variety that some of us use.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Z K

No, it is not about film strength as I mentioned in the other thread. The problem is the bearing clearance is too small and the oil has a hard time lubricating it. Using an oil that is even thicker than TWS makes the problem worse.

How do you reconcile that opinion with the fact that the failure rate for S65s in the cooler NE of the USA is lower than the overall average (as a function of sales) while in the hotter climes the rate is above the average?
ie if a high oil viscosity was a contributory cause of bearing wear then wouldn't the rate be higher in cooler states and lower in warmer states?
The whole bearing debate is high on opinion and low on facts.

[mxa121]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

According to Shell ....

http://lubematch.shell.com/us/en_US/...ries_EFt8Pj6D3

Would LOVE to see a VOA on this oil compared to the TWS. Bet it is a direct copy...

[Z K]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

How do you reconcile that opinion with the fact that the failure rate for S65s in the cooler NE of the USA is lower than the overall average (as a function of sales) while in the hotter climes the rate is above the average?
ie if a high oil viscosity was a contributory cause of bearing wear then wouldn't the rate be higher in cooler states and lower in warmer states?
The whole bearing debate is high on opinion and low on facts.

For the topic of this thread, do you think running a thicker oil than TWS will benefit the S65 engine? I don't think anyone would recommend something thicker than TWS.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by Z K

For the topic of this thread, do you think running a thicker oil than TWS will benefit the S65 engine? I don't think anyone would recommend something thicker than TWS.

I've never seen that recommended.

[Flying Ace]

Pennzoil Ultra currently has a 0-40 oil

[backhill]

Originally Posted by bsacamano

How about "BMW and Castrol to part ways 2015" or "Castrol loses BMW contract in 2015" or "BMW switching to Shell in 2015" or any thousands of other ways it could have been much more accurately reflected in a consice manner in the title?

Exactly. The OP phrased it in a way that said Castrol would disappear altogether.

[Kurt_OH]

Jehosephat, can you folks PLEASE leave the "he said it in a way I didn't like" WHINING out of this? Whether the OP imperfectly stated, or the subsequent readers imperfectly interpreted is irrelevant. It's all clear now that the situation is that Castrol lost their gig and Shell picked it up. So let's discuss THAT, OK, please?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Here more confirmation => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...2#post16916292

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

It will be interesting to see what BMW will recommend for M3s that currently use Castrols 10W60.

"Shell PurePlus" from "January.2015" specs not sure , but would love to know !

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Z K

For the topic of this thread, do you think running a thicker oil than TWS will benefit the S65 engine? I don't think anyone would recommend something thicker than TWS.

Neither would I...everything I've read makes me think that the Castrol 10W60 is a very good oil and on the balance of probabilities the right weight for the S65 for the majority of conditions.
Regarding this thread: a while ago I had an hour long telephone conversation with one of the lead guys at Castrols advanced technical support....and one of the many topics was that their 10W60 is pretty much only produced because of obligations to support legacy engines.....so it will interesting to see if BMW continue to recommend the Castrol 10W60 (assuming that Castrol agree to continue supplying it) or be forced to switch to an equivalent Shell product.
Its a massive loss for Castrol - Shell must have made a very convincing economical proposition to steal it away.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Neither would I...everything I've read makes me think that the Castrol 10W60 is a very good oil and on the balance of probabilities the right weight for the S65 for the majority of conditions.
Regarding this thread: a while ago I had an hour long telephone conversation with one of the lead guys at Castrols advanced technical support....and one of the many topics was that their 10W60 is pretty much only produced because of obligations to support legacy engines.....so it will interesting to see if BMW continue to recommend the Castrol 10W60 (assuming that Castrol agree to continue supplying it) or be forced to switch to an equivalent Shell product.
Its a massive loss for Castrol - Shell must have made a very convincing economical proposition to steal it away.

http://www.epc.shell.com/docs/GPCDOC...8en%29_TDS.pdf

[Sinful]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Jehosephat, can you folks PLEASE leave the "he said it in a way I didn't like" WHINING out of this? Whether the OP imperfectly stated, or the subsequent readers imperfectly interpreted is irrelevant. It's all clear now that the situation is that Castrol lost their gig and Shell picked it up. So let's discuss THAT, OK, please?

Agreed ^^
Thank the OP for posting it and stop being a bunch OCD whiners...