[Bobble]

Originally Posted by amdman

I can't wait to hear the outcome of this one...

I had a brand new 2001 Mustang, modded (CAI, Short Shifter, Exhaust, etc.) and started having transmission problems.. Took it into the dealer multiple times and finally after getting in the tranny seeing steel shavings (these problems were happening before the short shifter but I figured it was due to me mis-shifting so I didn't even think about it being tranny related) they gave the car back to me. Well one week later same thing, grinding into gears, took it back and the service manager tells me there's nothing he can do. I caused the problem, said I shifted wrong.
. . . .
Long story short, we walk out, get a lawyer who looks everything over FOR FREE and decides whether to take the case or not (on his dime until he wins). 3 months later I get full purchase price of the car back minus $1,000 for mileage, no attorney's fees and Ford takes the car back under the Lemon law.

Don't buy the "warranty" void deal, it's utter bullshit speaking from someone who's been through it. Lawyer very clearly laid it out to me, they must prove a part caused the actual problem.

To those of you who think this will make it to court you are DEAD wrong. BMW does not want Joe the Plumber Thor on TV with a court case bringing light to the fuel pump issue.

I just saw this so I'm behind but if it were me I would have taken them up on the offer to reinstate the warranty, and get them to split the difference of cost with me on the repairs and I won't bring anymore light to the subject of bad fuel pumps, aka won't go to TV.

What I would BET is why he's not talking is because they've already done my line above provided he keep his mouth shut. I think it was a great offer to reinstate the warranty myself... and I'm going to pick up my 335i this weekend!

AmdMAN

Glad things worked out for you for me it was a little different. I had a consumer law attorney as well, friend of mine is a high dollar criminal defender and he found this guy for me. His route of attack was to restore my warranty not lemon the car. Worked out I got my warranty back but I did have to pay to return to stock and repairs while not covered and the inspection but that was 8 to 9 years ago, One thing I do see over and over in this the last few days is someone keeps missing the point on what a warranty is, They seem to keep thinking because the thread title is Voided My Warranty that everyone thinks it's everything. I stated clearly I lost my POWERTRAIN warranty. BMW fixed non powertrian issues during the months I was voided just not engine/drivetrain issues. Your warranty is grouped under components and they void those components as they are related. In my case power pulley present voided the drivetrain as I was getting a CEL for a Vanos issue and had crankshaft angle sensor errors present (common with a power pulley). I believe if the person with the reading comprehension issue would read the whole thread, I did months ago when it was about 12 pages, he only lost the warranty for his motor/powertrain and they offered to reinstate if he went back to stock. Now on the topic of trial versus BMW you are spot on, the attorney told me the same thing, it won't reach a trial but you need to reach a decision that works for both without costing you the consumer a lot of time becasue the manufacturer has time on his side. Also I have to believe that the issue was much worse for the OP as he had a lot of mods, some of which where illegal emissions mods which raises a whole other standard of repsonsibility not to be discussed. I really do not want to be part of this pissing match anymore. I was trying to impart what happened specifically with my situation, with BMWNA, with respect to engine mods and try to inform the community if you think the MM Act is going to protect you when you blatantly violate the terms of the warranty and you want to be arrogant about, as I was guilty as charged there, good luck as crow does not taste very good. Have fun guys and girls of course! To anyone who wants specifics PM me as I'll be happy to share what happened as much as I remember, I'm old and forget easily.

To Fastman, I looked thru my storage last night and could not find the particulars but am certain the attorney I used was a consumer law and specifically lemon law specialist but again he was referred by a friend in the know in a different state from you. Find the same type of guy and if you can get a deal like above go for it. It cost me $400 to use him in 01.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Bobble

It cost me $400 to use him in 01.

exactly. how much to replace the hpfp???

[AKM-TT]

Should we blame JB for this? I would!!!! because I remember reading that " no code will be detected on the dealers computers". That's why I sometimes want to deal only with Dinan performance beacuse I'm afraid to mess up the warranty on my 2009 335i.

[ToadHollow]

Originally Posted by punky8d

Man... I woudn't want to say that..
Talk about Jinx dude...

Nah .......... mods started being installed within a week of ownership. Knocked on wood til my knuckles bled.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by AKM-TT

Should we blame JB for this? I would!!!! because I remember reading that " no code will be detected on the dealers computers". That's why I sometimes want to deal only with Dinan performance beacuse I'm afraid to mess up the warranty on my 2009 335i.

Actually the discovery of Dinan will void the factory warranty also, but Dinan will back up your BMW with their own.

[ToadHollow]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Actually the discovery of Dinan will void the factory warranty also, but Dinan will back up your BMW with their own.

If that were true then I wouldn't be able to receive any type of warranty service. I think maybe you need to clarify or reword your comment differently.

BMW won't CPO a Dinan enhanced vehicle, yes. The warranty isn't void though .......... hell, BMW installed the Dinan sw & reinstalled after BMW updated the sw just recently.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by ToadHollow

If that were true then I wouldn't be able to receive any type of warranty service. I think maybe you need to clarify or reword your comment differently.

BMW won't CPO a Dinan enhanced vehicle, yes. The warranty isn't void though .......... hell, BMW installed the Dinan sw & reinstalled after BMW updated the sw just recently.

I'll give you an example: Our e46M3 was just coming off of warranty and we were looking into extended warranty packages. However, we discovered that the vehicle didn't qualify for Extended Warranty status due to Dinan software being installed, even from the same dealer who was a Dinan service facility. You are correct that the term "void" is not a blanket generalization of the entire vehicle not is it "blacklisted" from ever getting service performed.

Dinan will cover you if there is an issue - this fact is never disputed. However it's how the situation is interpreted by your local dealer or is BMWNA is even involved in the decision or not.

[ToadHollow]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

I'll give you an example: Our e46M3 was just coming off of warranty and we were looking into extended warranty packages. However, we discovered that the vehicle didn't qualify for Extended Warranty status due to Dinan software being installed, even from the same dealer who was a Dinan service facility. You are correct that the term "void" is not a blanket generalization of the entire vehicle not is it "blacklisted" from ever getting service performed.

Dinan will cover you if there is an issue - this fact is never disputed. However it's how the situation is interpreted by your local dealer or is BMWNA is even involved in the decision or not.

Gotcha.
I wonder if things have changed then regarding extended warranty etc. I purchased the extended warranty after the Dinan was installed & verified with both the SM as well as the insurance provider that the vehicle would remain covered. I'm told all is covered, but the CPO option is now non-existent thus decreasing the resale value.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by ToadHollow

Gotcha.
I wonder if things have changed then regarding extended warranty etc. I purchased the extended warranty after the Dinan was installed & verified with both the SM as well as the insurance provider that the vehicle would remain covered. I'm told all is covered, but the CPO option is now non-existent thus decreasing the resale value.

Not sure, I definitely don't want to be speaking in Dinan's behalf, it's best any questions are handed by them directly. if anyone else has any concerns.

I was a bit surprised when our dealer told us this, when the reason for the extended warranty in our case was to retain resale value. However, in the used market - most people searching for BMWs on the used market are well aware of Dinan presence and their reputation to likely not make this of any concern.

[amdman]

Originally Posted by Bobble

Glad things worked out for you for me it was a little different. I had a consumer law attorney as well, friend of mine is a high dollar criminal defender and he found this guy for me. His route of attack was to restore my warranty not lemon the car. Worked out I got my warranty back but I did have to pay to return to stock and repairs while not covered and the inspection but that was 8 to 9 years ago, One thing I do see over and over in this the last few days is someone keeps missing the point on what a warranty is, They seem to keep thinking because the thread title is Voided My Warranty that everyone thinks it's everything. I stated clearly I lost my POWERTRAIN warranty. BMW fixed non powertrian issues during the months I was voided just not engine/drivetrain issues. Your warranty is grouped under components and they void those components as they are related. In my case power pulley present voided the drivetrain as I was getting a CEL for a Vanos issue and had crankshaft angle sensor errors present (common with a power pulley). I believe if the person with the reading comprehension issue would read the whole thread, I did months ago when it was about 12 pages, he only lost the warranty for his motor/powertrain and they offered to reinstate if he went back to stock. Now on the topic of trial versus BMW you are spot on, the attorney told me the same thing, it won't reach a trial but you need to reach a decision that works for both without costing you the consumer a lot of time becasue the manufacturer has time on his side. Also I have to believe that the issue was much worse for the OP as he had a lot of mods, some of which where illegal emissions mods which raises a whole other standard of repsonsibility not to be discussed. I really do not want to be part of this pissing match anymore. I was trying to impart what happened specifically with my situation, with BMWNA, with respect to engine mods and try to inform the community if you think the MM Act is going to protect you when you blatantly violate the terms of the warranty and you want to be arrogant about, as I was guilty as charged there, good luck as crow does not taste very good. Have fun guys and girls of course! To anyone who wants specifics PM me as I'll be happy to share what happened as much as I remember, I'm old and forget easily.

To Fastman, I looked thru my storage last night and could not find the particulars but am certain the attorney I used was a consumer law and specifically lemon law specialist but again he was referred by a friend in the know in a different state from you. Find the same type of guy and if you can get a deal like above go for it. It cost me $400 to use him in 01.

Agree completely. As they did for me it was pretty much just the tranny. The service manager said they would not touch the transmission again since I put the shifter on. Sorry I should have clarified, I meant a "blanket" void is complete bull. A part (transmission) or powertrain void is not out of the question (and understandable).

Haha you're right about the time issue. It took my attorney like 7 months, contacting Ford every month. They just ignored it until he kept threatening them. They finally responded with the deal I stated. I was glad to be rid of that car...

[Morpheus]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=1#post7045700

SOLD!!!!

BMW 1. Magnuson Moss 0.

[techlogik]

I don't see what the problem is..you put a mod tune on the car, BMW isn't stupid, and you leave it on there, so they void your warranty...game over. That is the price to play..if you can't afford it, then get out of the modding game with cars under warranty.

Good luck, just replace the pump yourself, pay a local shop.

[onefastman]

I agree that you should pay to play, so if your blow your motor then that should be on you but if your hpfp went out then there is no reason that a defective item should not be covered. I have a feeling I will expierence this soon enough as I have no power train warranty and 14.5K on my hpfp.