[XAlp]

Is the zero BIK for compamy cars only for pure electric? Assume hybrids aren't as favourable? Cheers

[DougMcL]

The Taycan is actually a pretty big car, only 9cm shorter than a Panamera. Interior space probably isn't its forte though.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by XAlp

Is the zero BIK for compamy cars only for pure electric? Assume hybrids aren't as favourable? Cheers

Its based on emissions and how far it will go on electric only - so whilst hybrids will get low BIK

If its all electric - 0 emissions - its 0 this year
if its 1 to 50g of emissions and can do over 130 miles on a charge its 0 this year
if its 1 to 50g of emissions and can do between 70 and 129 miles on a charge its 3% this year
if its 1 to 50g off emissions and can do between 40 and 69 miles on a charge its 6% this year
if its 1 to 50g of emissions and can do 30 to 39 miles on a charge its 10% this year
as above but less than 30 miles on a charge - 12%

I think the 330e sneaks in to the 6% line....

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Whatever the Taycan is or isn’t, a bargain isn’t it.

For any EV its certainly close to it

Differential gear box for high speed cursing, the fastest DC charging speeds both in absolute peak KW sustained and real world range gained, heat pump driven HVAC system, interms of pure physical tech its probably the most advanced EV on the road, but in base spec form isn't any more expensive than a Model S.

Software advancements though is a whole different ball park.....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

For any EV its certainly close to it

Differential gear box for high speed cursing, the fastest DC charging speeds both in absolute peak KW sustained and real world range gained, heat pump driven HVAC system, interms of pure physical tech its probably the most advanced EV on the road, but in base spec form isn't any more expensive than a Model S.

Software advancements though is a whole different ball park.....

And there you have it, has anyone in history every bought a base spec Porsche on purpose?

And the Model S is bigger and cheaper, with less options required.

Neither could be called a bargain in EV terms. They are ludicrously over engineered, over performing luxury models. Not bargains.

You could get 3 or 4 “bargain” electric cars for the price of one of these.

[DougMcL]

My opinion on your options?

Twenty inch aero wheels look better and will save you loads.
You have chosen the extended leather interior in black. Not much difference between that and the free standard. And make sure you try the 14 way seats. The 8 way are usually fine.

Carbon sport design is very expensive for what it is. You can't really see the carbon from any sort of distance.
People say that the electric sport sound is plain annoying after a while and that you soon end up turning it off. The only useful thing that Sport Chrono gives you is that nice mode switch on the wheel. Prob not necessary on a car this fast.
Glacier blue matrix lights? What is wrong with the ordinary matrix ones. I'd seriously consider going for the pano roof and adaptive cruise. Just check because on the Macan the adaptive gives you AEB although I wouldn't be surprised if it was standard on the Taycan. Front seat heating is prob standard!
As said before you really need the 150kw charging. Just a few mins on an Ionity charger for 100km extra range.
You might also want to add steering wheel heating.
Here's a quick spec from me...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PMWX4DM9

[isleaiw1]

I think if you can stick to the conventional norm for Porsche of base price but no more than 10 to 15% more on extras its still good value for what it is....even a launch edition etron 55 coupe thing is 90k!

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

I think if you can stick to the conventional norm for Porsche of base price but no more than 10 to 15% more on extras its still good value for what it is....even a launch edition etron 55 coupe thing is 90k!

Aren’t launch editions usually fully loaded with options?

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

If this is the price of premium electric cars, I’ll be sticking with premium combustion engined cars for as long as possible.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Aren’t launch editions usually fully loaded with options?

Yep, but then you dont need half of them.....

As to your other point, premium ICE cars are getting ever more expensive, you can spec a 3 series (non M3) to wrong side of £60k, £55k after discounts. It seem long since people were getting nicely specced 340iTs for just over £40k....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Yep, but then you dont need half of them.....

As to your other point, premium ICE cars are getting ever more expensive, you can spec a 3 series (non M3) to wrong side of £60k, £55k after discounts. It seem long since people were getting nicely specced 340iTs for just over £40k....

You can, I get that. But you don’t have to. Nothing wrong with an M340i in close to base spec.

They’ve gone up since they made them M lites, I said be careful what you wish for when F series 40i owners said it was a good move. It just added a few trinkets and allowed BMW to increase base price. But, it’s still nearer £50k than £80k.

We seem to be missing some middle ground EV’s, hopefully that’ll change soon.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

You can, I get that. But you don’t have to. Nothing wrong with an M340i in close to base spec.

They’ve gone up since they made them M lites, I said be careful what you wish for when F series 40i owners said it was a good move. It just added a few trinkets and allowed BMW to increase base price. But, it’s still nearer £50k than £80k.

We seem to be missing some middle ground EV’s, hopefully that’ll change soon.

There isnt (although I wouldnt want one) - but then an £80k base spec Porsche should be ok on those grounds?

We are definitely missing the middle ground - e2008 and Niro at 30 to 40k but notmuch else till you get to an iPace at £65k - other than Tesla at £40k to £55k.....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

There isnt (although I wouldnt want one) - but then an £80k base spec Porsche should be ok on those grounds?

We are definitely missing the middle ground - e2008 and Niro at 30 to 40k but notmuch else till you get to an iPace at £65k - other than Tesla at £40k to £55k.....

As far as I’m aware Porsche base spec is usually a lot lower than BMW M Lite base spec.

Although it’s only what I read, I’m not that up on Porsche specs.

My BMW’s have all been close to base. They get M Sport Plus for the cosmetics, but I never add anything else. And I don’t think I miss all the gadgets etc.

I want it to look nice, drive nice, be comfortable, have a DAB stereo and Sat Nav, anything else I can do without and don’t miss.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

As far as I’m aware Porsche base spec is usually a lot lower than BMW M Lite base spec.

Although it’s only what I read, I’m not that up on Porsche specs.

My BMW’s have all been close to base. They get M Sport Plus for the cosmetics, but I never add anything else. And I don’t think I miss all the gadgets etc.

I want it to look nice, drive nice, be comfortable, have a DAB stereo and Sat Nav, anything else I can do without and don’t miss.

Probably not - but if we are making do I could more easily make do in a Taycan than a 340, well, except for the dog!

I didnt miss the gadgets until I had them.... then you realise what you wont do without. And BMWs packs seem to put all of my must haves in a different one - Tech, Visibility, etc....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Probably not - but if we are making do I could more easily make do in a Taycan than a 340, well, except for the dog!

I didnt miss the gadgets until I had them.... then you realise what you wont do without. And BMWs packs seem to put all of my must haves in a different one - Tech, Visibility, etc....

I’ve had fully specced up cars, I thought I’d miss not having all the options. And I don’t. I realised they’re nice to have, but not missed when I don’t.

My A6 biturbo was a 50 odd thousand pound car in 2014. It didn’t even have heated seats. Thought I’d miss it. I didn’t.

Nice stereo in my BMW, standard in the Q7. I couldn’t care less and wouldn’t pay for an upgrade. Only had it in the BMW’s because it was part of the M Sport Plus pack that got me the nicer wheels etc.

Would I like extended leather all across the dash? Yes, it looked great in the Jaguar I had and cars I’ve sat in in showrooms. Do I want it enough to pay £30 a month for it on my pcp? Not likely.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

You could get 3 or 4 “bargain” electric cars for the price of one of these.

Have a look at what those 'bargain' EVs are, the MG Z EV retails for £25k the petrol version is £15k. I would trade 100 of those things for a single Taycan.

The Taycan isn't cheap, but no Porsche has ever been cheap, but compared to other EVs, once you add in the tech and brand history it's certainly the top candidate if you are in the market for a 'premium' EV.

Price remains the biggest issue with EVs, its easier to justify £100k on a Taycan than any other EV around .

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Have a look at what those 'bargain' EVs are, the MG Z EV retails for £25k the petrol version is £15k. I would trade 100 of those things for a single Taycan.

The Taycan isn't cheap, but no Porsche has ever been cheap, but compared to other EVs, once you add in the tech and brand history it's certainly the top candidate if you are in the market for a 'premium' EV.

Price remains the biggest issue with EVs, its easier to justify £100k on a Taycan than any other EV around .

I’m not saying it’s not a nice car. I’m not saying it’s not nicer than the slightly cheaper Model S. I’m just saying a car at that price is not a bargain.

I think the manufacturers must make tonnes out of them. They must love the trend for no knobs and buttons. Plain slabs of plastic, however good quality, must be a lot cheaper to buy and fit. And the Taycan inside is the same as all the others in that respect.

[DougMcL]

Frozen Berry anyone?

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by DougMcL

Frozen Berry anyone?

And that’s what you get if you spec a Porsche badly.

That one will be a “bargain” for the second owner I’m sure. Just not the first!

[DougMcL]

It was a one off special on the 911. Now has made it into the colour choices for the Taycan. Only colour I'd consider for it is Gentian blue.

[MashinBenzin]

This is approximately how I would spec mine, no frivolities. Didn't think much about colour, just a standard metallic.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PMYHT5P8

£111k.

It's definitely not bargain territory.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I’ve had fully specced up cars, I thought I’d miss not having all the options. And I don’t. I realised they’re nice to have, but not missed when I don’t.

My A6 biturbo was a 50 odd thousand pound car in 2014. It didn’t even have heated seats. Thought I’d miss it. I didn’t.

Nice stereo in my BMW, standard in the Q7. I couldn’t care less and wouldn’t pay for an upgrade. Only had it in the BMW’s because it was part of the M Sport Plus pack that got me the nicer wheels etc.

Would I like extended leather all across the dash? Yes, it looked great in the Jaguar I had and cars I’ve sat in in showrooms. Do I want it enough to pay £30 a month for it on my pcp? Not likely.

And that's why its great we can all choose. Would I want to live for 3 years (or even 11 months) without some of the options, nope. I know that cos when I drive a long journey in the Mini I miss them...

Now big wheels and stuff to make it look nice I can take or leave - had 21s on my Q5 and they were the worst option it had, spoilt the ride on some roads.

The new one doesnt have many options,no trick suspension or pan roof, and I did pick it because it had the black pack rather than chrome.... It has got the B&O stereo and a couple of other options and I wouldnt buy without them....

But it would be a funny old world if we all wanted the same. And as I say we can all do it our own way with the options, unlike some brands that are take it or leave it....