[Tallest]

So E28....... E34.E39......E60.F10.....F90..

It would almost appear that some cars are just the difference in looks, while others are a leap forward, like E34 to E28 or F10 to F90. Kinda nice for those who like E34 or E39, E60 or F10, because there you can sort of go off looks, not off performance.

Next M5 wont be a leap forward or will it? If past is any indicator it will not be a huge improvement in performance. It certainly isnt on looks (not to me anyway).

[BDO]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think this video just shows how outdated everything pre F90 is... that leap from F10 to F90 is absolutely huge...

F10 and E60 seems to be close or almost on par... Everything pre F10 is just dinosaur age slow at this point... also I am more shocked they have a well running E60 here more than anything.

Yeah, out of all of those, I didn't expect the F10 to be the one lunching itself.

[BDO]

Originally Posted by 82hopedale

The new cars are involving but you have to be going about twice the speeds to enjoy them.

My biggest gripe with modern cars. I enjoyed puttering around in my Z4M a lot more than driving twice as fast and barely feeling it in my F13 M6.

[Chappers 71]

With older cars less was more. The most ‘fun’ bmw I’ve owned has to be the manual e36 328i sport coupe. It ‘only’ had 193 bhp @ 5,300 rpm & 207 lb-ft Torques @ 3,950 rpm but I loved it, you really could ‘take it by the scruff of the neck & max it out’.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by WraithM5

No not at all. The ZF8 performs just as well in every aspect . The shift speed being marginally slower is also barely a drawback. You sound like you read a Wikipedia page and have driven neither.

ZF8 shift feels a quarter second slower vs M-DCT, and this is irritating especially on the racetrack that requires frequent downshifting. It shifts ok driving 5/10ths but nowhere do you feel the transmission is adequate pushing hard.
I think at this point you are arguing with BMW M engineers, who also acknowledged in their explanation videos that DCT is twice as fast as ZF8.

[WraithM5]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

ZF8 shift feels a quarter second slower vs M-DCT, and this is irritating especially on the racetrack that requires frequent downshifting. It shifts ok driving 5/10ths but nowhere do you feel the transmission is adequate pushing hard.
I think at this point you are arguing with BMW M engineers, who also acknowledged in their explanation videos that DCT is twice as fast as ZF8.

The ZF8 still shifts faster than the blink of an eye. The DCT still has far more drawbacks on these cars.