2014 z51 vette on the track

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

I am probably the slowest m3 on track at a given time but my heel/toe shifts are like BUTTER

yeah dct will do that.

[PrimeBMW]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

i can heal toe on open straight portions of pavement when it doesnt matter how much i slow down. basically what i do is a token foot on the brake without slowing and then shift, pointless. thanks for your help but ive spent 6 years working around my style and have no intention of changing it. i have tried at the track and am only successful in being dangerous.

You should try the ~14lb. tilton clutch and lightweight flywheel. It is easy to rev match. As you know my e92 M3 is a DCT and the first time I tried heel toe was on the e46 m3 race car. You can probably remember how fast it shift when you rode with Eddie........it is quick. The same set up will be with the new S62 so you will be able to see it in action also.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by PrimeBMW

You should try the ~14lb. tilton clutch and lightweight flywheel. It is easy to rev match. As you know my e92 M3 is a DCT and the first time I tried heel toe was on the e46 m3 race car. You can probably remember how fast it shift when you rode with Eddie........it is quick. The same set up will be with the new S62 so you will be able to see it in action also.

yeah but you have skills!

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

yeah dct will do that.

I DRIVE 6MT!!!

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

I DRIVE 6MT!!!

sure you do monkey boy!

[bigjae1976]

The difficult aspect is getting the blip down. The hardest and a very important part is maintaining good braking control while blipping the throttle. A trailbraking heel-toe will yield the best result.

The later you downshift into the corner, the better.

I consistently position my foot on the brakes so that I can always blip the throttle. There are very few corners where I use my full foot on the brakes.

I have faced a scenario where a heel toe is not useful. There was a fast double left hander where I could just smoothly drop it into 3rd with no blip.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

sure you do monkey boy!

Perfect shifts. Lackluster driving.

[LiM3y]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

Perfect shifts. Lackluster driving.

I can't believe someone faked having a manual transmission to look cool on an internet forum...

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by LiM3y

I can't believe someone faked having a manual transmission to look cool on an internet forum...

Wait. Thats me though?

(Changed my name if ppl are confused)

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

Wait. Thats me though?

(Changed my name if ppl are confused)

i think its fake.

[TheKosherStogie]

do you have a vid of you driving on the track? I once went for a ride with someone who was decent but didn't know how to Heel Toe and the amount of distance you lose braking letting off then downshifting (especially if its a 2 gear down shift, you have to just go 5-3 ) after braking is HUGE! I taught him and he next time I saw him he was so happy about it...no offense intended but I just don't know how you can even begin to be fast without doing it...If you have a vid id love to see...

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

do you have a vid of you driving on the track? I once went for a ride with someone who was decent but didn't know how to Heel Toe and the amount of distance you lose braking letting off then downshifting (especially if its a 2 gear down shift, you have to just go 5-3 ) after braking is HUGE! I taught him and he next time I saw him he was so happy about it...no offense intended but I just don't know how you can even begin to be fast without doing it...If you have a vid id love to see...

Yes I have a whole thread that's about my buid that includes video.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

do you have a vid of you driving on the track? I once went for a ride with someone who was decent but didn't know how to Heel Toe and the amount of distance you lose braking letting off then downshifting (especially if its a 2 gear down shift, you have to just go 5-3 ) after braking is HUGE! I taught him and he next time I saw him he was so happy about it...no offense intended but I just don't know how you can even begin to be fast without doing it...If you have a vid id love to see...

I've been practicing a heel toe 2 gear change lately so i wont have to row through the gears. Ill test it next time out and se what happens :yikes:

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

I've been practicing a heel toe 2 gear change lately so i wont have to row through the gears. Ill test it next time out and se what happens :yikes:

I was taught to always go thru the gears so no expensive mistakes happen, you're on the brakes the whole time so doesnt matter and won't slow your times compare to jumping a gear which could be and expensive mistake if timed wrong

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

I was taught to always go thru the gears so no expensive mistakes happen, you're on the brakes the whole time so doesnt matter and won't slow your times compare to jumping a gear which could be and expensive mistake if timed wrong

Good point. But since i shift late in the brakig zone and rpms would be low i was thinking of trying.

[W Cole]

Just did a trackday with my buddy who has a z51 package C7. Pretty much what you would expect from a ~600 lb lighter car designed for the track with more power and a lot more torque than the m3. The z51 adjustable suspension gets more than stiff enough for the track and the car is amazingly flat and precise through the turns. The rev match feature works flawlessly and the traction control has more settings than I had time to figure out whereas the traction control in the M3 was frustrating to use as even MDM mode is far too restrictive and not really fun as the car is pretty much driving itself and masking what is going on.

In comparison to the vette my E92 with ohlins feels like an imprecise marshmallow. My E92 was boiling over the power steering fluid, the brakes would start fading mid-way through a session and now the steering wheel shudders horribly under braking. The C7 had no issues with brake fade or fluids boiling over - chevy designed it properly for track use.

[LiM3y]

Originally Posted by W Cole

Just did a trackday with my buddy who has a z51 package C7. Pretty much what you would expect from a ~600 lb lighter car designed for the track with more power and a lot more torque than the m3. The z51 adjustable suspension gets more than stiff enough for the track and the car is amazingly flat and precise through the turns. The rev match feature works flawlessly and the traction control has more settings than I had time to figure out whereas the traction control in the M3 was frustrating to use as even MDM mode is far too restrictive and not really fun as the car is pretty much driving itself and masking what is going on.

In comparison to the vette my E92 with ohlins feels like an imprecise marshmallow. My E92 was boiling over the power steering fluid, the brakes would start fading mid-way through a session and now the steering wheel shudders horribly under braking. The C7 had no issues with brake fade or fluids boiling over - chevy designed it properly for track use.

BEGONE, HERETIC! BURN HIM! BURN HIM TO THE GROUND!

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

I've been practicing a heel toe 2 gear change lately so i wont have to row through the gears. Ill test it next time out and se what happens :yikes:

Have you tried double clutching?

[ayao]

Interestingly Edmunds.com has a Z51 in their longterm fleet and they recently took it to Laguna Seca for a track day. There was some discussion on that blog about the odd rotor cooling rings recommended by GM for track use. (Any thoughts on how those work? Mechanism still unclear to me.)

Anyway, they swapped pads and fluids and still experienced significant amounts of fade. Couple this with Essex's analysis of both the Stingray's and the Z51-equipped brakes and it actually makes sense that the Vette's brakes didn't hold up under track use.

Originally Posted by W Cole

Just did a trackday with my buddy who has a z51 package C7. Pretty much what you would expect from a ~600 lb lighter car designed for the track with more power and a lot more torque than the m3. The z51 adjustable suspension gets more than stiff enough for the track and the car is amazingly flat and precise through the turns. The rev match feature works flawlessly and the traction control has more settings than I had time to figure out whereas the traction control in the M3 was frustrating to use as even MDM mode is far too restrictive and not really fun as the car is pretty much driving itself and masking what is going on.

In comparison to the vette my E92 with ohlins feels like an imprecise marshmallow. My E92 was boiling over the power steering fluid, the brakes would start fading mid-way through a session and now the steering wheel shudders horribly under braking. The C7 had no issues with brake fade or fluids boiling over - chevy designed it properly for track use.

[Killerfish2012]

Saw this beauty at road america last weekend. They sure are making their way on track

[WarrantyTracker]

Last instructor I had in B group doesn't let his A students make passes on the first day until they have heel-toe more or less down. I think he gives them a break on the second day just to keep the frustration level down and not be a total buzzkill.

I'm having a time getting it down but hour-long stints on my local protected cloverleaf are helping.

Still, HPDE is about learning to be the driver you want to be. If you want to double-brake, do it. Hell, if you want to DCT, do it.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Last instructor I had in B group doesn't let his A students make passes on the first day until they have heel-toe more or less down. I think he gives them a break on the second day just to keep the frustration level down and not be a total buzzkill.

I'm having a time getting it down but hour-long stints on my local protected cloverleaf are helping.

Still, HPDE is about learning to be the driver you want to be. If you want to double-brake, do it. Hell, if you want to DCT, do it.

I cant run some A groups due to my ladk of heel toe