[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=Torgus;30716933]A quick google search of DER shows up exactly what they are. Faster than asking on a forum. It's literally the 1st thing that pops up. lmgtfy.com

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I usually do but on this occasion I was too lazy to look and google is too easy a way.

[Car-Addicted]

So many opinions so few facts

Deaths per terawatt-hour of energy production deaths per terawatt-hour
Energy source. 2021
Brown coal 32.72
Coal 24.62
Oil 18.43
Biomass 4.63
Gas 2.82
Hydropower 1.30
Wind 0.04
Nuclear 0.03
Solar 0.02

https://www.energyforhumanity.org/en...ety-the-facts/

The Simpson's is a cartoon and Jane Fonda is a idiot.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The utility or the program manager installs remotely controlled disconnect switches on the air conditioning (AC) unit or electric water heater of participating homeowners

What could possibly go wrong
I know lets let the state that has budget deficit of 68 Billion determine our energy strategy. Again I repeat, What could possibly go wrong

[Murf the Surf]

[QUOTE=Efthreeoh;30717020]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Here's a quote from Cummins' DER web page. It should give you comfort...

"Demand response resources are electric loads which can be shaped, reduced or disconnected on demand. In some regions, for example, homeowners have the option to participate in demand-response programs. The utility or the program manager installs remotely controlled disconnect switches on the air conditioning (AC) unit or electric water heater of participating homeowners, for example. Each individual AC unit or water heater can thus be switched off as needed to reduce the load on the electric grid. Larger virtual DERs aggregate several hundred or thousand homes. The result is a resource comparable in size and function to a small power plant."

They offered this in Ontario Canada this past year you got a "free" smart thermostat to take control of your AC and were also offering a $75 gift card for anyone who signed up.....my understanding is that the response was underwhelming.

[Car-Addicted]

Now who here trusts Google NEST and Amazon Echo to not be involved in data sharing and government compliance in a "emergency"?

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=Murf the Surf;30717114]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

They offered this in Ontario Canada this past year you got a "free" smart thermostat to take control of your AC and were also offering a $75 gift card for anyone who signed up.....my understanding is that the response was underwhelming.

So what I can understand is that its a sort of 'big brother' that will cut off the power to the air con motor, in times of huge demand, I can understand why few took the offer up.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Now who here trusts Google NEST and Amazon Echo to not be involved in data sharing and government compliance in a "emergency"?

I know that gogle may pick and choose what organisations go on the site and doesn't allow some that go against some gob i ment polcies.

[tturedraider]

I am a pretty big fan of residential solar panels. Despite government and industry rebates offered to install them I am constantly amazed when I go to Arizona that every house does not have them. Of all the states where you might expect them to proliferate I would say Arizona tops the list. I imagine Nevada would be next and, of course, California and Texas would be high on the list among many others. And yet almost no one has them. It would appear consumers just don’t care.

I think they are butt ugly, but it would not bother me to have them on the back side of my roof. I would be interested in putting them on the roof of my condo building, but the association as a whole has no interest.

[Alfisti]

Solar exploded in the UK (of all bloody places) a few years ago and it has absolutely gone mental in Australia once the price came down enough.

[KRS_SN]

Had an interesting chat with the guy who installs solar panels locally.
Given electricity prices he reckoned a typical domestic installation would take 7 years in the UK to break even when installation costs are factored in. I could be moving house so I've decided against this. Also it's very seasonal apparently and not a lot of use in winter months due to the angle of the sun during daylight hours.

[Murf the Surf]

We looked into Solar panels, our roof doesn't face the right direction so would have to put a big panel out on our back yard. The price we got was about $40K in stalled, there are some government rebates but not that much. My monthly hydro bull is around $200 so assuming hydro bill went to zero (it won't because we still have to pay delivery charges and debt retirement charge to the utility) it would take about 20 years to break even. I won't be in this house that long.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

We looked into Solar panels, our roof doesn't face the right direction so would have to put a big panel out on our back yard. The price we got was about $40K in stalled, there are some government rebates but not that much. My monthly hydro bull is around $200 so assuming hydro bill went to zero (it won't because we still have to pay delivery charges and debt retirement charge to the utility) it would take about 20 years to break even. I won't be in this house that long.

Yes, I think this is the case for many folks probably at least as much as lack of interest/motivation. You have to be pretty motivated to get everything in place to make it happen and if the money doesn’t work that kills the motivation pretty quickly.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

We looked into Solar panels, our roof doesn't face the right direction so would have to put a big panel out on our back yard. The price we got was about $40K in stalled, there are some government rebates but not that much. My monthly hydro bull is around $200 so assuming hydro bill went to zero (it won't because we still have to pay delivery charges and debt retirement charge to the utility) it would take about 20 years to break even. I won't be in this house that long.

Everything here is insanely expensive compared to the UK

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Everything here is insanely expensive compared to the UK

The UK used to be expensive compared to Canada. It's just sad really.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

The UK used to be expensive compared to Canada. It's just sad really.

Not much growth not much inflation just flat lining and dipping in real term economic affordability in general. Hence I hear from friends here who visit there frequently that compared to transatlantic counterparts food clothing etc are rather affordable overall here.

[Kponti]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

For what it worth I have driven/been driven tesla on autopilot and my bmw's have driving assistant professional. No phantom braking that I've experienced in the BMW(not yet over 12k miles) and the smoothness and the refinement of the system is better than the tesla. The point I'm making is that we must take the claims with regards to EV with a pinch of salt given how robotaxis and boring company and FSD etc..hype and social media pump ups.

I have had 3 BMWs, 2 AMGs and 3 Teslas over the last 4 years and none have had phantom braking. The self-driving on the Teslas has been miles better and significantly more functional than the ones on my BMWs or AMGs.
This does not count the Teslas with FSD in my near family (siblings), none of which have has phantom braking either.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Not much growth not much inflation just flat lining and dipping in real term economic affordability in general. Hence I hear from friends here who visit there frequently that compared to transatlantic counterparts food clothing etc are rather affordable overall here.

Your prices are insane, i know a few blokes from the Uk and man, i realise you earn less in terms of pounds vs dollars but jesus H the differnce.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Your prices are insane, i know a few blokes from the Uk and man, i realise you earn less in terms of pounds vs dollars but jesus H the differnce.

Full time work around here is 40 hrs/week. This is a factor. Lots of free time not a lot of money to play around with

[Car-Addicted]

I guess the EV folks are just as dishonest as the ICE folks.
Consumer Reports Exposes 10 EVs that Lied About Their Range
December 7, 2023
When choosing an electric vehicle (EV), the accuracy of its range estimate is a key factor for consumers, especially given the developing state of charging infrastructure in the U.S. To provide clarity, Consumer Reports conducted tests to determine the real-world highway range of various EVs, using a methodology similar to the EPA’s for measuring miles per gallon. Their findings revealed that while some EVs exceeded their range estimates, others didn’t live up to expectations.
2023 Nissan Aryia Platinum + AWD promising a range of 257 miles. In real-world testing, it achieved a respectable 253.
2022 Hyundai Ioniq6 SEL AWD advertised a 270-mile range. Impressively, it managed to clock 265 miles.
2023 Subaru Solterra Limited claiming a range of 222 miles, resulted in 210 miles during testing.
2023 Kia Niro EV Wind 253-mile range, achieved 239 miles in tests.
2022 Audi Q4 50 E-Tron Premium Plus promised a range of 241 miles but delivered 226 miles in tests.
2023 Genesis Electrified GV70 Advanced claimed a range of 236 miles but achieved 220 miles.
2023 Lexus RZ 450e Premium claimed a 220-mile range but reached 202 miles in testing.
2021 Tesla Model S Long Range boasts a substantial 405-mile range but managed 366 miles in tests.
2023 Lucid Air Touring claimed 384-mile range, achieved 344 miles.
2022 F-150 Lightning Lariat Extended Range promised an impressive 320-mile range but achieved only 270 miles in tests.
2023 Mercedes-Benz EQE 350 4MATIC exceeded expectations by achieving a 332-mile range in tests compared to the EPA’s 260-mile estimate.
2023 BMW i4 M50 delivered a commendable 318 miles in testing against an EPA estimate of 324 miles.
2023 BMW iX xDrive50 exceeded its advertised range, achieving 370 miles compared to the 324-mile EPA estimate.
https://teslatale.com/ev-lied-range/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

The UK used to be expensive compared to Canada. It's just sad really.

Just over 10 years ago it was US $2 to the £ and our trip to LA was like a dream with Cali tax refund for UK visitors also for clothes shopping etc. What a difference 10+ years and change in gubment make

[KRS_SN]

I was travelling in my EV
There was a passenger in the front seat and one in the back. The seats started behaving erratically culminating in the back seats folding forward.i had to drive off the highway and into the underground parking lot of a small shopping centre.
Got out to inspect and saw some hissing and gurgling sounds from underneath the back seats and some fluid seeping out.
Smelled this and felt like battery acid. Then I could see fumes there was fire.
I think about how the owner of the small shop would feel now that his establishment will burn to the ground.
I think about my mrs who will.say 'told you so' when buying an EV.
I go outside the parking lot to call the emergency fire response service to tell them they've got work.
Then I go back into the parking lot to have one last look at my car and I see a large suitcase where my car was parked and no car..
I realize its a dream....It was a good merlot.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Here's a quote from Cummins' DER web page. It should give you comfort...

"Demand response resources are electric loads which can be shaped, reduced or disconnected on demand. In some regions, for example, homeowners have the option to participate in demand-response programs. The utility or the program manager installs remotely controlled disconnect switches on the air conditioning (AC) unit or electric water heater of participating homeowners, for example. Each individual AC unit or water heater can thus be switched off as needed to reduce the load on the electric grid. Larger virtual DERs aggregate several hundred or thousand homes. The result is a resource comparable in size and function to a small power plant."

I actually signed up for this type of program for my vacation home. Mine is a very specific use case and it has more or less worked out for me. The hook is a discount on the per KW charge. The times I've been out there under the program where the power company has shut off the power has been zero so far and that's with owning the home since 2012. And the grid out there seems to be pretty stable from the lack of complaints from my neighbors.

Just wanted to bring up my situation as where it has worked to my benefit but again it's very specific for my situation. My primary home, no way, I'm opting in on this type of program.