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      07-17-2014, 06:04 PM   #23
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Really? I beg to differ.
Yes going in a straight line it tons of fun
Oh I guess you're all butt hurt cause your soccer mom car is more expensive but in reality you don't know jack about these cars so pound sand.
Lol so sensitive. Yes I'm
Butt hurt cause I have soccer mom M3. To many fanboys.

Yes it's a mustang. 2013 gt 500 75k for 650whp that's great. Would I ever buy one no. No reason to. Doesn't fit my needs. it's more than power in a straight line. It goes way beyond that. M3 suits my needs as a daily. All personal preferences. I have a Ford 350 king ranch for towing my cars. Nothing against Ford just wouldn't buy their mustang from last experiences
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Hey, the '08 Bullitt was pretty fun.
I really liked the '08 Bullitt. The engine was a boat anchor but my favorite Mustang in the area's Mustang Club was a modded '08 Bullitt. I don't know if I can link it here (can we link posts from Mustang forums or will we get banned?) so I won't, but it was downright sick (he just recently sold it). They are somehow an incredibly attractive version of (IMO) an ugly car. Even in stock form, they look good.

Don't get me wrong, we know what a modified S197 is capable of, and the 3V loves boost, but out-of-the-box, the '05-'10 GTs were slow and the earlier S197s felt like they weren't designed with handling in mind whatsoever.

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Yes it's a mustang. 2013 gt 500 75k for 650whp that's great.
Where are you shopping? That's stupid, 75k for a 650whp '13 GT500, get real.
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Lol so sensitive. Yes I'm
Butt hurt cause I have soccer mom M3. To many fanboys.

Yes it's a mustang. 2013 gt 500 75k for 650whp that's great. Would I ever buy one no. No reason to. Doesn't fit my needs. it's more than power in a straight line. It goes way beyond that. M3 suits my needs as a daily. All personal preferences. I have a Ford 350 king ranch for towing my cars. Nothing against Ford just wouldn't buy their mustang from last experiences
Again. You don't know jack about these cars so just stop.
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'13 GT500 isn't $75k unless you're dumb to buy a marked up car and its 662 BHP. Even if you up'd the power to 650rwhp, it's total cost wouldn't come close to $75k.

A '13 GT500 cost the same or LESS than a new M3 and wayy, wayy less than a M4. Which it is still faster than a M3/M5/M6 around a road course, that has curves. The new M4? I'm sure it's faster than it too. Actually, a '14 GT500 cost just over $63k with recaros, performance pack and track pack.....

A lowly mid $40k 2012 Boss 302 is faster than the M3.

Heres a link for the latest Lightning Lap results from 2013, which includes the '13 GT500:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10
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Go back to the ford forum and I'll meet you there with my gt 500 lol
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'13 GT500 isn't $75k unless you're dumb to buy a marked up car and its 662 BHP. Even if you up'd the power to 650rwhp, it's total cost wouldn't come close to $75k.

A '13 GT500 cost the same or LESS than a new M3 and wayy, wayy less than a M4. Which it is still faster than a M3/M5/M6 around a road course, that has curves. The new M4? I'm sure it's faster than it too.

A lowly mid $40k 2012 Boss 302 is faster than the M3.
No doubt the boss 302 and gt 500 is faster than m3/m4 when I had my gt 500 it's fast but wasn't for me. There's always gonna be that car that is faster and better
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Oh and actually the 5.0 runs on par with a M3.
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Ford says today the new GT is faster than the old Boss 302 around a track.

"The results speak for themselves – during track testing, the 2015 Mustang GT with performance package consistently beat the lap times of the 2012-2013 Mustang Boss 302."

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...uspension.html
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No doubt the boss 302 and gt 500 is faster than m3/m4 when I had my gt 500 it's fast but wasn't for me. There's always gonna be that car that is faster and better
You bought the wrong mustang, 302 was a much better all around car. Consistently getting quicker lap times than the M3. The new '15 GT350 with IRS is going to murder the M4 around a track. People are going to be surprised. GT350 will be a more tack focused car, like the 302. I agree GT500 is a straight line car, just like the Hellcat (not my cup of tea).
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Ford says today the new GT is faster than the old Boss 302 around a track.

"The results speak for themselves – during track testing, the 2015 Mustang GT with performance package consistently beat the lap times of the 2012-2013 Mustang Boss 302."

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...uspension.html
Now that sounds promising. A second hand GT in a few years, gutted/stripped out. Sounds like one hell of a dedicated track car. Reliable and cheap to maintain. Looking forward to seeing what the mustang aftermarket community does with the new suspension setup.
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i think people forget what a M car is. Sure these mustang GT ,302, GT500etc are pretty dam fast. Not everyone`s goals are for having a lot of power and fast car. I for one have many problems with mustangs. I like the luxury side of the M cars, plus they are more rare on the road. mustangs are more built on a budget, which is perfect for people chasing the power.

Just walk into a BMW dealership, then walk into a ford dealership. You will feel like BMWs are made for a higher calling. LOL

but honestly i love what the USA is bring to the table. Mustangs are on my list, but at the end of the day not sure i wanna drive a common car. i would take a GT500 over a M4 though,because i like V8 engines. But when it comes to a AMG idk if would still take the GT500.
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i think people forget what a M car is. Sure these mustang GT ,302, GT500etc are pretty dam fast. Not everyone`s goals are for having a lot of power and fast car. I for one have many problems with mustangs. I like the luxury side of the M cars, plus they are more rare on the road. mustangs are more built on a budget, which is perfect for people chasing the power.

Just walk into a BMW dealership, then walk into a ford dealership. You will feel like BMWs are made for a higher calling. LOL

but honestly i love what the USA is bring to the table. Mustangs are on my list, but at the end of the day not sure i wanna drive a common car. i would take a GT500 over a M4 though, because i like V8 engines. But when it comes to a AMG idk if would still take the GT500.
I'd say BMW forgot what an M-car is. You know to most non-car people they see no difference between a BMW M3 and a 328i. It has a blue and white Roundel on it, so its a BMW. Hate to say but in most cities, BMWs are common place. I love it when it's pointed out that a common-place Mustang beats the socks off a BMW and the argument turns to "yeah, but the interior is much nicer in the BMW." and "BMWs have been blessed by God." LOL. So the real discussion about Mustangs and 3 Series is not the narrow-focused Boss 302 vs. M3, but rather a $32K Mustang GT vs. a $37K F30 320i Sport package. There simply is no performance comparison whatsoever. And when the '15 Mustang GT (or Ecoboost Performance Pack) gets here, there will really be no discussion. Well maybe the interior will suck... LOL

And while we're talking weights: Mustang Ecoboost - 3,524 (auto) BMW428i - 3,495 (auto).

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I'd say BMW forgot what an M-car is. You know to most non-car people they see no difference between a BMW M3 and a 328i. It has a blue and white Roundel on it, so its a BMW. Hate to say but in most cities, BMWs are common place. I love it when it's pointed out that a common-place Mustang beats the socks off a BMW and the argument turns to "yeah, but the interior is much nicer in the BMW." and "BMWs have been blessed by God." LOL. So the real discussion about Mustangs and 3 Series is not the narrow-focused Boss 302 vs. M3, but rather a $32K Mustang GT vs. a $37K F30 320i Sport package. There simply is no performance comparison whatsoever. And when the '15 Mustang GT (or Ecoboost Performance Pack) gets here, there will really be no discussion. Well maybe the interior will suck... LOL

And while we're talking weights: Mustang Ecoboost - 3,524 (auto) BMW428i - 3,495 (auto).
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I'd say BMW forgot what an M-car is. You know to most non-car people they see no difference between a BMW M3 and a 328i. It has a blue and white Roundel on it, so its a BMW. Hate to say but in most cities, BMWs are common place. I love it when it's pointed out that a common-place Mustang beats the socks off a BMW and the argument turns to "yeah, but the interior is much nicer in the BMW." and "BMWs have been blessed by God." LOL. So the real discussion about Mustangs and 3 Series is not the narrow-focused Boss 302 vs. M3, but rather a $32K Mustang GT vs. a $37K F30 320i Sport package. There simply is no performance comparison whatsoever. And when the '15 Mustang GT (or Ecoboost Performance Pack) gets here, there will really be no discussion. Well maybe the interior will suck... LOL

And while we're talking weights: Mustang Ecoboost - 3,524 (auto) BMW428i - 3,495 (auto).
Very well put and spot-on.
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I'd say BMW forgot what an M-car is. You know to most non-car people they see no difference between a BMW M3 and a 328i. It has a blue and white Roundel on it, so its a BMW. Hate to say but in most cities, BMWs are common place. I love it when it's pointed out that a common-place Mustang beats the socks off a BMW and the argument turns to "yeah, but the interior is much nicer in the BMW." and "BMWs have been blessed by God." LOL. So the real discussion about Mustangs and 3 Series is not the narrow-focused Boss 302 vs. M3, but rather a $32K Mustang GT vs. a $37K F30 320i Sport package. There simply is no performance comparison whatsoever. And when the '15 Mustang GT (or Ecoboost Performance Pack) gets here, there will really be no discussion. Well maybe the interior will suck... LOL

And while we're talking weights: Mustang Ecoboost - 3,524 (auto) BMW428i - 3,495 (auto).
You say BMW forgot what an M car is then proceed to go on a tangent about mustangs vs. standard 3 series with no actual statements as to why BMW has suddenly forgotten what an M car is. Has anyone ever tried to make a price to performance comparison with mustangs or any american muscle cars?
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Weights added too. Gained 12 to 87 lbs. compared to the last generation.
That's like driving with a gallon and a half of water in the trunk or 12yr old in the passenger's seat. We're not talking about a Lotus Elise here, this car is already ~3,500lbs.

"So I'm driving the other day but the thing was piggishly slow... turns out I had a gallon and a half of water in the trunk! Took that out and now it's a rocket." LOL

EDIT: The V8 gets a 2.4% weight increase and a 3.6% power increase. No harm done.
Lol great analogy
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You say BMW forgot what an M car is then proceed to go on a tangent about mustangs vs. standard 3 series with no actual statements as to why BMW has suddenly forgotten what an M car is. Has anyone ever tried to make a price to performance comparison with mustangs or any american muscle cars?
They forgot to make it a competitor outside of other M cars, thats what. How is a $63k+ M car suppose to perform against a ~$37k-$40k Mustang? When the Mustang is on par or faster than a M car? So what if the M has all these "luxurious" things? Does it make it truly better? Not everyone wants keyless start, Nav, leather seats, alcantara whatever, carbon this, carbon that, side/top cameras, heated steering wheel, headlight washers, etc......Most people want a true, almost bare bones drivers car.

Maybe the new M3/M4 will up the game but we'll have to wait and see.

I bought my 135i not because its a BMW, not because it has all of this "luxurious" stuff. I had a couple of things on my list of my next new car; heated seats, sunroof, decent power, good handling and manual. But, I would have also jumped on a Boss 302 if I could have bought it at or below MSRP.
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You say BMW forgot what an M car is then proceed to go on a tangent about mustangs vs. standard 3 series with no actual statements as to why BMW has suddenly forgotten what an M car is. Has anyone ever tried to make a price to performance comparison with mustangs or any american muscle cars?
"M" used to mean something now it's a marketing ploy to seperate people from more of their money. As soon as BMW started to put the M badge on suv's that was the end of it.
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"M" used to mean something now it's a marketing ploy to seperate people from more of their money. As soon as BMW started to put the M badge on suv's that was the end of it.
And those models are the best selling models.

Not sure if it's intentionally done, but the "maybe" in your signature should really read "may be".
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"M" used to mean something now it's a marketing ploy to seperate people from more of their money. As soon as BMW started to put the M badge on suv's that was the end of it.
They just released a critically acclaimed, by all accounts, M car. They definitely know how to make a proper M car, if you're one of those people who thinks making one car not in the traditional M hierarchy negates all cars made with the M badge, then there's nothing to talk about because that's simply silly nonsense.

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They forgot to make it a competitor outside of other M cars, thats what. How is a $63k+ M car suppose to perform against a ~$37k-$40k Mustang? When the Mustang is on par or faster than a M car? So what if the M has all these "luxurious" things? Does it make it truly better? Not everyone wants keyless start, Nav, leather seats, alcantara whatever, carbon this, carbon that, side/top cameras, heated steering wheel, headlight washers, etc......Most people want a true, almost bare bones drivers car.

Maybe the new M3/M4 will up the game but we'll have to wait and see.

I bought my 135i not because its a BMW, not because it has all of this "luxurious" stuff. I had a couple of things on my list of my next new car; heated seats, sunroof, decent power, good handling and manual. But, I would have also jumped on a Boss 302 if I could have bought it at or below MSRP.
American muscle has and will likely always be the best performance for you dollar. When has it ever been the case than BMW or any luxury/upscale maker undercut an American model on price while in the same performance class? I have, nor have others, ever doubted if you want the best performance for the dollar get a camaro Z/28 which is faster than a GTR on a track. People are suddenly acting like this is some sort of new development. What makes an M car better is it's handling, finish, and how all the parts come together to make a special driver's car. The new mustangs look pretty good (besides the aesthetics imo) and serve a great cause in terms of giving access to good performance on the cheap.

Also, what are you talking about most people want a bare bones car? No, most people want a car they can live with, besides the mustang is not a bare bones car and will be available with new technologies. Just because it comes with a non-luxury interior does not make it bare. Very few people actually buy bare bones drivers cars contrary to what you may think, go to any BMW/Merc AMG/Porsche forum if you think most people want to order bare cars with no amenities.

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Came in here thinking we were going to talk Mustang.


Somehow an M car got thrown into the mix per usual.


I love the new Mustangs. The price point is very competing with the amount of fun you'll be able to have in it. I haven't been a fan of Mustangs until recently, mostly per its exoskeleton, but times are changing, and I like what I see on all accounts. Good job Ford.
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You say BMW forgot what an M car is then proceed to go on a tangent about mustangs vs. standard 3 series with no actual statements as to why BMW has suddenly forgotten what an M car is. Has anyone ever tried to make a price to performance comparison with mustangs or any american muscle cars?
It wasn't sudden, it took BMW a while. It wasn't a tangent; it was spot on .

Ford forgot what the Mustang was too with the Gen 2 back in the '70s and then almost with the what-was-to-eventually-become the Probe. And by the way, the 3-series really became "luxurious" only after the debut of Lexus and Acura. The E21, E30, and E36 were no more luxurious than a Honda at the time.
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