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Audi's have issues. It's just one f**king thing after another. We've had them in our family for over 30 years. They really haven't improved. I doubt this new guy will radically change BMW M cars for the worst. No need to freak out. BMW has standards.
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Lol. Is all I gotta say.
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This is what I have been waiting for. I want an M4 with Competition Package w/Carbon Fiber Roof with 'functioning' Rooftop Luggage Mounts to mount a Thule Roof Rack, and an X4M! An AWD M can be sold as an option, I can't see why BMW M Division can not design a fantastic version along with a RWD version as well. Last edited by DCG; 09-26-2014 at 01:27 AM.. |
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BMW xDrive "AWD" M's as an option. If you want only RWD get that version. But for us living in 4-seasons climates, and not just a 2-season one AWD makes sense for safety. I don't know about u guys I want to have as much grip and to stay on our crazy and congested New York roads in all-weather and in all driving conditions. One kick-ass M car that can do it all! Last edited by DCG; 09-25-2014 at 06:54 PM.. |
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I don't really care that they did it, just think it's weird. The last time they had a car like that though was the E12 M535i from decades ago as far as I know. |
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Obviously the E12 was such as success they decided to do it again? Ugh. Maybe this guy will be a pragmatic purest and put an end to this stuff but I am skeptical. Execs are not in the trenches and don't care about engineers - they are looking at the bottom line and how to make more profits not necessarily a excellent product - rather a mediocre one. Hence the mindset at Audi - AWD - Audi Wheel Drive and they cannot think outside that box. Hopefully he can and bring a MMA attitude to the company (which is what I mean by pragmatic purism). Analogous to MMA - One martial art verses a mixture of martial arts to create a well rounded fighter. Same goes here. BMW if you are tolling the boards....pay attention to what is being said by your customer-base.
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The M235i is the first "M Performance" car in North America. Overseas, they also have the M135i, the X5 M50d, X6 M50d and the M550d. Check out the M Division's website, under "Powered by M". http://www.m-power.com/_open/b/varli...?lang=en&sNr=1
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Personally I think Audi has a huge leg up when it comes to AWD expertise compared to BMW but we'll see if BMW can catch-up. Torque vectoring even on RWD cars would be cool |
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Dont mess with BMW's 'less is more' interiors please.
I agree a different perspective is needed ever so often so brands do not become complacent. But lets please keep the BMW clean, 'less is more' sleak interior cockpit oriented designs on the same trajectory.
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Look, the guy headed Audi's Quattro unit which meant he oversaw Audi's RS line and the R8. When was the last time you heard someone claiming an Audi was cheap? Especially an RS Audi? Hell when have you heard anyone call an M235i a cheap car? The car has gotten rave reviews. You people are such a trip. |
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Now that I think I understand where BMW is trying to make this go (model line equivalency with Audi "S" cars), I can get with it. At first I had the same outrageous reactions as many in here. "is" cars did fill a niche as EMITTR stated, but Lucky13 is actually the one who's right here. It's not that he (Lucky13) is a hater, he's just pointing that most people don't give a crap about "is" cars. Re-branding them as Mxxx cars will grab more attention. Is this exactly the way I think it should be done? No, but I get what's trying to be accomplished here by leveraging the M brand.
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From Nov. 1, 2013, here's what they say about the M235i: http://m-power.com/_open/b/varlink1.jsp?lang=en&sNr=1 For the genesis, this article about the M135i illustrates the approach for "M Performance" distinguished from "M Power". The balance is toward the daily driver, which suits my preference. Note the statement, "It [M135i] is positioned between the most powerful BMW series production models and thoroughbred BMW M vehicles." [my emphasis] http://m-power.com/_open/b/varlink1.jsp?id=2802&lang=en Finally, here's a bit of video from retiring M Division President Dr. Nitschke (starting around 00:38): http://m-power.com/_open/b/varlink1.jsp?id=2644&lang=en Overall, BMW has been very clear about where they see the M Performance class. Whether that merits an M badge or designation is up for debate, but they're not trying to fool anyone, especially not those who could distinguish between a 335is and a 335i in the first place.
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