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      10-29-2014, 12:34 PM   #1
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The Charger Hellcat

So this exists in addition to the Challenger Hellcat. 2.9 0-60. 11.0 1/4 mile on street tires and 10.7 if you put street legal drag radials on it. Detroit is coming back in a big way.

http://jalopnik.com/the-charger-hell...you-1652109417
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      10-29-2014, 12:48 PM   #2
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I hate to be that guy, but I'd wish the Charger came in a proper manual. Regardless, this car is awesome... love the looks and performance. I think it looks better than the Challenger.
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      10-29-2014, 04:12 PM   #5
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I hate to be that guy, but I'd wish the Charger came in a proper manual. Regardless, this car is awesome... love the looks and performance. I think it looks better than the Challenger.
I'm that guy too. Very disappointed it doesn't come with a manual gearbox. But a (very, per the article) streetable family sedan that can do 10.7 on street DR's is something that leaves me in awe. I can also personally vouch and attest to the touchscreen center console and bluetooth in the outgoing model. Best in industry by far. The interior left something to be desired, but it wasn't horrible either.
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      10-30-2014, 12:58 AM   #6
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i dont like the Challenger or chargers coming out.

IMO they dont look that great inside and out. the challenger looks the same for years now.

i cant get over those skinny tires they use on these cars either. the cars are pigs, no matter how fast they are. I cant see them feeling that great to drive.

i am moving to a Detroit car most likely (the corvette) because to me thats a real sports car. So i am not on the BMW fanboy wagon. its my honest thoughts.
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      10-30-2014, 06:23 AM   #7
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I hate to be that guy, but I'd wish the Charger came in a proper manual.
You would be in the minority in your view of what is proper. 10 years ago or earlier, that kind of statement made sense. Today, good autos are faster than manuals and get better fuel economy. Ferrari has not made a manual for several years now. This is a performance car; the manual is no longer the performance option.
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      10-30-2014, 08:18 AM   #8
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i dont like the Challenger or chargers coming out.

IMO they dont look that great inside and out. the challenger looks the same for years now.

i cant get over those skinny tires they use on these cars either. the cars are pigs, no matter how fast they are. I cant see them feeling that great to drive.

i am moving to a Detroit car most likely (the corvette) because to me thats a real sports car. So i am not on the BMW fanboy wagon. its my honest thoughts.
Your opinion in what a "real sports car" is in that region of the world is in the minority. 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers in Detroit matter more than anything. It's a blue collar town built on loud, giant, stop light racers.

You are correct on the Challenger Hellcat; I think it should have gotten a face lift. The Charger looks like a giant Dodge Dart to me, but regardless, you cannot dismiss the power these things are putting down from the factory.
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      10-30-2014, 09:06 AM   #9
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i dont like the Challenger or chargers coming out.

IMO they dont look that great inside and out. the challenger looks the same for years now.

i cant get over those skinny tires they use on these cars either. the cars are pigs, no matter how fast they are. I cant see them feeling that great to drive.

i am moving to a Detroit car most likely (the corvette) because to me thats a real sports car. So i am not on the BMW fanboy wagon. its my honest thoughts.
I agree with you. I doubt those cars would handle well on a track. But on that account the M3 is not a "real" sports car either. The only real sports cars you can get under 100k right now are a FRS, Miata, 370z, lotus elise, Cayman/boxster, and corvette.
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You would be in the minority in your view of what is proper. 10 years ago or earlier, that kind of statement made sense. Today, good autos are faster than manuals and get better fuel economy. Ferrari has not made a manual for several years now. This is a performance car; the manual is no longer the performance option.
To me, it's not purely about the performance or numbers. I prefer manuals just because they are more fun. Unless it's a diesel, I can't imagine ticking that option until I have no choice and the manuals are completely killed off. I won't deny that they've become truly amazing (DCT and new AT's), but it's just not as fun to me. Tried it, get bored within a couple of hours.

But that's for another thread. I like this way more than the Challenger to be honest. Pretty cool car, not really something I see myself owning though.
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I hate to be that guy, but I'd wish the Charger came in a proper manual. Regardless, this car is awesome... love the looks and performance. I think it looks better than the Challenger.
+1. I understand PDK/DCTs are better on the track but I really just find them boring around town. I prefer 3 pedals and a manual tranny but I know its days are numbered.
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Your opinion in what a "real sports car" is in that region of the world is in the minority. 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers in Detroit matter more than anything. It's a blue collar town built on loud, giant, stop light racers.

You are correct on the Challenger Hellcat; I think it should have gotten a face lift. The Charger looks like a giant Dodge Dart to me, but regardless, you cannot dismiss the power these things are putting down from the factory.
lets be honest. the only thing cool about these new cars is the power. everything is subpar compared to its German rivals
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lets be honest. the only thing cool about these new cars is the power. everything is subpar compared to its German rivals
You say that like it is a bad thing. In my book there is nothing wrong with a 707 hp muscle car.
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There was a time when power steering was not for performance cars, when power brakes were not for performance cars, when ABS was not performance oriented, when traction control was not for performance, etc. If you want to be fully occupied while driving, try a manual trans cars from the 60s.
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lets be honest. the only thing cool about these new cars is the power. everything is subpar compared to its German rivals
You say that like it is a bad thing. In my book there is nothing wrong with a 707 hp muscle car.
I like cars like the zl1 more magnetic suspension, 305 PSS tires. Seems more balanced. Doesn't have a stupid amount of power and will feel better in the turns.

Again I need more than just power to feel good about a car
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I like cars like the zl1 more magnetic suspension, 305 PSS tires. Seems more balanced. Doesn't have a stupid amount of power and will feel better in the turns.

Again I need more than just power to feel good about a car
What turns are you speaking of? The straight-line grid system that are the Detroit suburbs?
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The challenger hellcat is coming with a manual transmission...
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. everything is subpar compared to its German rivals
reliability. value for the money. maintenance costs. price of mods and upgrades. ease of DIY mechanical work.
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. everything is subpar compared to its German rivals
reliability. value for the money. maintenance costs. price of mods and upgrades. ease of DIY mechanical work.
For the price of a pretty spartan 535i too, lol.
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reliability. value for the money. maintenance costs. price of mods and upgrades. ease of DIY mechanical work.
Spot on.
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reliability. value for the money. maintenance costs. price of mods and upgrades. ease of DIY mechanical work.
if every one thought like this. BMW would not be selling any M cars. Last time i checked they are selling M cars. So there must be a demand for them.

why would people buy a car that is less reliable, less value for money, more maintenance costs, expensive to mod, and not DIY friendly.

Because there must be something about the cars that people find appealing.

Me I can understand why would someone would buy a hellcat and i can understand why someone would buy a M3. it makes perfect sense.
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why would people buy a car that is less reliable, less value for money, more maintenance costs, expensive to mod, and not DIY friendly. .
Because they're snobs?

People have various reasons for buying what they buy. Your assertion that those new muscle cars are inferior to german cars in everything except horsepower is just false.
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