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      10-14-2014, 07:43 AM   #89
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Before: naturally-aspirated engine of 2.4 liters. 90 ° V8 standard injection.

After: 1.6-liter turbocharged engine. 90 ° V6 with direct injection.

Reason for change: the turbocharged petrol engine of reduced volume with direct fuel injection is more economical. So Formula 1 wants to be attractive to the grandees of the automotive industry and obtain their engines at a discounted price.
This is absolutely incorrect. The new engines cost a lot more to make and the fuel efficiency doesn't offset the cost. This is nothing about discounted pricing - it is about making the sport more relevant to the OEMs. Naturally aspirated V8s are dead - even Ferrari is phasing them out of production cars. Twin Turbo V6s and Twin Turbo V8s is where the volume is. They chose V6s to have mass appeal and make the sport more relevant.
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This is absolutely incorrect. The new engines cost a lot more to make and the fuel efficiency doesn't offset the cost. This is nothing about discounted pricing - it is about making the sport more relevant to the OEMs. Naturally aspirated V8s are dead - even Ferrari is phasing them out of production cars. Twin Turbo V6s and Twin Turbo V8s is where the volume is. They chose V6s to have mass appeal and make the sport more relevant.
You are actually rephrasing the same and OK thank you for your contribution)
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I'm still against the double point system on the final race. Bad decision.
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      10-14-2014, 10:45 AM   #92
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I'm still against the double point system on the final race. Bad decision.
me too , it's not fair to others , what if mechanical issue happens with leader ?
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      10-14-2014, 11:38 AM   #93
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double points is bollocks

I think race strategy would be very different for the leader.
...baby the car and finish high enough in the order to maintain gap.

How exciting is that ???
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speaking of double points, i'd blow my lid off if hamilton wins the next 2 races and builds a 31 point gap, then gets a dnf in abu dhabi, rosberg gets just 2nd place, collects 36 points, and becomes the wdc. how fuckin insane would that be? hamilton would have 11 wins yet rosberg with a mere 4 wins becomes wdc.
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speaking of double points, i'd blow my lid off if hamilton wins the next 2 races and builds a 31 point gap, then gets a dnf in abu dhabi, rosberg gets just 2nd place, collects 36 points, and becomes the wdc. how fuckin insane would that be? hamilton would have 11 wins yet rosberg with a mere 4 wins becomes wdc.
One does have to wonder how such decisions such as double points in the last race are made. What makes Abu Dhabi so special that it gets to not only be the last race but also basically render the rest of the season almost inconsequential?

I will be devastated if Lewis goes into the final race with a big lead only to have this double points rule take his crown.
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Interestingly, It looks like Bottas had the best sector times:

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Anger as FIA announces double points for Abu Dhabi GP

The decision with double points for Abu Dhabi isn't new and is pretty known. Just read this: "Lewis Hamilton would not have been champion if the new double points finale system was in place in 2008"... see full story here: http://www.grandprix247.com/2013/12/...-championship/

Well, too many "what ifs", but it reminds a lousy double-betting tactics in casino. Clueless FIA decision IMO.
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      10-14-2014, 02:37 PM   #98
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Was fun watching Lewis snub Putin of the handshake in the weigh-in room.
I had to rewatch this after seeing your comment, because I missed it the first time.

It sure does look like Lewis snubs him when he first comes into the room. But after the weigh in, he's off in the corner by himself fiddling with his hat, etc. stalling and avoiding, but eventually turns towards the middle and does offer his hand to Putin and they shake.

Curious about the woman that was with Putin asking the drivers questions (how much weight they lose, etc.) Was she a translator? I would've thought Putin could speak fluent english... no?
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I had to rewatch this after seeing your comment, because I missed it the first time.

It sure does look like Lewis snubs him when he first comes into the room. But after the weigh in, he's off in the corner by himself fiddling with his hat, etc. stalling and avoiding, but eventually turns towards the middle and does offer his hand to Putin and they shake.

Curious about the woman that was with Putin asking the drivers questions (how much weight they lose, etc.) Was she a translator? I would've thought Putin could speak fluent english... no?
He speaks English.. but he also likes to showcase Russia at every opportunity even it means using a translator by not speaking English.

I'm not 100% sold on Lewis snubbing Putin. It seemed to me he was in his head more about being childish toward Rosberg than caring about Putin. Not that Rosberg doesn't do the same, it just showed more on Lewis this time around.

As far as the race wins comments and the double points at the end being silly if Rosberg wins the WDC from Lewis having won 11 grand prix... that's completely meaningless. In today's F1 drivers aren't going full out for wins. Most of the time they are managing the race and doing "damage limitation" on the points scale. So whether you win 4 races or 11 races, the WDC is given to whomever accumulates more points over the entire calendar. Whether you agree with the system or not is another issue but that's how it is currently being offered.
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      10-14-2014, 03:08 PM   #100
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What is the justification from the FIA regarding the double points final race? Is it simply to keep interest and viewership in the event of a runaway season? Is it Abu Dhabi paying Bernie more to make the race more important? I really don't understand.
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As far as the race wins comments and the double points at the end being silly if Rosberg wins the WDC from Lewis having won 11 grand prix... that's completely meaningless. In today's F1 drivers aren't going full out for wins.
That would a nightmare scenario.
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What is the justification from the FIA regarding the double points final race? Is it simply to keep interest and viewership in the event of a runaway season? Is it Abu Dhabi paying Bernie more to make the race more important? I really don't understand.
When it comes to the FIA and Bernie isn't it always a question of making more money

In its most innocent form, the rule was enacted specifically after Vettel's domination in past years to keep interest through the end of the season. Last year with Vettel's domination, the last few races were pretty much meaningless. I think it's okay in theory to have more points awarded in the final race, but double points is too much...particularly as so much is susceptible to luck (car failure, other cars crashing, typhoons, etc).
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What is the justification from the FIA regarding the double points final race? Is it simply to keep interest and viewership in the event of a runaway season? Is it Abu Dhabi paying Bernie more to make the race more important? I really don't understand.
... speaking ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix, Ecclestone accepted that the gimmick had not proved popular, and admitted that he had given up on a push to expand double points for the final few races.

"I wanted it to be for the last three races and then people would believe it was still possible for somebody else to win," explained Ecclestone.

"But they all say I'm mad, so we won't do it."

When asked if he expected double points to be kept for even the final race in 2015, he said: "Don't know. Probably not.

"We can't see whether it has worked, so it depends.

"It just seemed to me the right way to keep the championship open."

"Otherwise for the last three or four races, people are running in non-championship races."
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It's the dilemma of the late races. If there is dominance the last races will be far less interresting but if it's a close season they will be the by far most nail biting. To unfairly pump them up with extra points is however nonsense. Mechanical DNFs are already brutal and often of no fault of the driver and it will hurt double in Abu Dhabi, it's sh*t.
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[quote=trinim3;16779971]When it comes to the FIA and Bernie isn't it always a question of making more money

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What Bernie wants is certain randomness and trying to keep the Championship to the last race.
That's a decent intention, but there's only so much the FOM/FIA can do. And doubling up points on the last race is NOT one of the methods.

My argument stated earlier this year, why discredit teams/drivers who's done a better job earlier in the season and did a better prepare job during the Winter pre-season? What makes the last race more unique and special that's worth double the points? Are teams doing a better catch up worth more points? It is not Mercedes or RBR fault that they are/were dominant. Its up to the other teams to catch up with them, especially none of them cheated (loopholes).

Why the points earned in Australia, Malaysia, Japan, Silverstone, Hockenheim, etc. worth less than Abu Dhabi? Are the drivers put less effort? This makes absolutely no sense.

I really hope Hamilton will win it all and make the "double point" system totally worthless!!!
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What Bernie wants is certain randomness and trying to keep the Championship to the last race.
That's a decent intention, but there's only so much the FOM/FIA can do. And doubling up points on the last race is NOT one of the methods.

My argument stated earlier this year, why discredit teams/drivers who's done a better job earlier in the season and did a better prepare job during the Winter pre-season? What makes the last race more unique and special that's worth double the points? Are teams doing a better catch up worth more points? It is not Mercedes or RBR fault that they are/were dominant. Its up to the other teams to catch up with them, especially none of them cheated (loopholes).

Why the points earned in Australia, Malaysia, Japan, Silverstone, Hockenheim, etc. worth less than Abu Dhabi? Are the drivers put less effort? This makes absolutely no sense.

I really hope Hamilton will win it all and make the "double point" system totally worthless!!!
Are all points paying positions doubled at the last race or just 1st? And yes; go Lewis!!
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Are all points paying positions doubled at the last race or just 1st? And yes; go Lewis!!
All points.

1st : 50 points
2nd : 36 points
3rd : 30 points
4th : 24 points
5th : 20 points
6th : 16 points
7th : 12 points
8th : 8 points
9th : 4 points
10th : 2 point
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Hopefully we finally find out where this guy is really going in 2015 by Abu-Double.
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