Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

chris719 · 07-24-2014, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Correct me if I am wrong but I dont think we know of any instance where a rod bearing failure caused a car accident

Not exactly the same thing as the GM ignition fiasco which resulted in deaths.

Their goal is to prevent accidents. The GM fiasco was as simple as the engine turning off and throwing a rod through the block usually accomplishes that.

W/// · 07-24-2014, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Is there a fix for the E46 subframe issue?
I think you mentioned the repair is not available anymore? Is that true?
My buddy has an E46 M3 and he doens't now anything about this stuff.
Thanks.
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There is, but that involves dropping the rear subframe and welding plates (if you are doing preventatively). You could also use the foam method. My point was that in the past couple of years, when you had a tear, BMW would fix it for you. In my case, the tear was big enough that they replaced the entire floor. The recall period is through, so if you have a tear, you are on your own.

As for VANOS, it's the hub that can potentially fail. It has 2 tabs that spins, and those can shear. If you are lucky it "just" falls in the oil pan (which would still mean you have to drop the oil pan), or if you are unlucky it'll get caught in the timing chain and you'll have a nice big hole in your engine.

I recommend browing on m3forum.net. There's a ton of info there, including DIY's. I'd rather not say too many things in case they are potentially wrong. But that is one of the reasons I skipped the E46 right there. Do you see how good we have it compared to them?

jcf1 · 07-25-2014, 07:56 AM

My solution to the potential blowing-up S65 is my USAA warranty on the car. They cover basically everything and it only cost me about $2500 for 2 years. That way if/when something major goes long like an engine failure or transmission failure, I don't owe a dime. The $2500 is worth the peace of mind.

tdott · 07-25-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kawasaki00

I have already worked with Clevite for a redesign of the bearings. Minimum order is 1000 shells (62 cars) worth at a cost of 20k for the first batch. That includes a 8k setup and tooling fee that will not be charged on subsequent production runs. I just dont have the coin to foot the bill upfront and then have to worry about getting stuck with a bunch of engine bearings.

Serious question, what will it take to make this happen?

thekurgan · 07-25-2014, 09:03 AM

^^^ cash

kawasaki00 · 07-25-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tdott

Serious question, what will it take to make this happen?

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Originally Posted by thekurgan

^^^ cash

Thats it, have to have the money up front before they will even start the process.

MisterEm · 07-25-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Do you have a link for the rear subframe reinforcement kit?

Also, for the Vanos, that link you provided has it for the VANOS and VANOS solenoid. Do they both need to be replaced?

My buddy doens't surf the web much and doesn't know much about this stuff.
Thanks.

Several excellent DIYs on the subframe on m3forum.net. A combination of TMS welded plates and expanding foam have kept mine in great shape the past 4 years after catastrophic failure of 3 mounts. I check it everytime its in the air.

As for the VANOS, the critical parts are the pump disc, solenoid and sealing plate from Raj@Beisansystems. Re-installing the cam gear bolts with loctite as well while you're in there. The rattle kit is optional.

Tools needed are the TDC pin, and cam-bridge. The procedural DIYs at www.beisansystems.com are excellent.

Hope this helps.

tdott · 07-25-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kawasaki00

Thats it, have to have the money up front before they will even start the process.

Shall we start a groupbuy (assuming mods approve)? Ask people to sign up, when we have 62, start collecting $$ to place the order?

or, pitch it as an investment opportunity. For example, someone willing to front 50%,25%, etc of the costs. By investing you'd give them rights to the design so they can re-order more at a lower cost.

I'm interested either way, maybe we should take this to PM.

nicksm3 · 07-25-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jcf1

My solution to the potential blowing-up S65 is my USAA warranty on the car. They cover basically everything and it only cost me about $2500 for 2 years. That way if/when something major goes long like an engine failure or transmission failure, I don't owe a dime. The $2500 is worth the peace of mind.

Hey man, im interested in this....possible you can PM me some more info on this? Thanks!

Jonnykin · 07-25-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nicksm3

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcf1

My solution to the potential blowing-up S65 is my USAA warranty on the car. They cover basically everything and it only cost me about $2500 for 2 years. That way if/when something major goes long like an engine failure or transmission failure, I don't owe a dime. The $2500 is worth the peace of mind.

Hey man, im interested in this....possible you can PM me some more info on this? Thanks!

This is what anyone worried about this engine should do. Car warranty is hands down the beat approach to the issue. If it blows up get it replaced... simple and so worth the $2500 beans.

SenorFunkyPants · 07-26-2014, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonnykin

This is what anyone worried about this engine should do. Car warranty is hands down the beat approach to the issue. If it blows up get it replaced... simple and so worth the $2500 beans.

I do wonder why owners just don't take out a warranty...it costs me ~$1000 US a year which admittedly is no small amount of money but it seems worth it for peace of mind.

Kurt_OH · 07-26-2014, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I do wonder why owners just don't take out a warranty...it costs me ~$1000 US a year which admittedly is no small amount of money but it seems worth it for peace of mind.

AND the warranty covers much more than bearings.

Obioban · 07-26-2014, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by W///

There is, but that involves dropping the rear subframe and welding plates (if you are doing preventatively). You could also use the foam method. My point was that in the past couple of years, when you had a tear, BMW would fix it for you. In my case, the tear was big enough that they replaced the entire floor. The recall period is through, so if you have a tear, you are on your own.

As for VANOS, it's the hub that can potentially fail. It has 2 tabs that spins, and those can shear. If you are lucky it "just" falls in the oil pan (which would still mean you have to drop the oil pan), or if you are unlucky it'll get caught in the timing chain and you'll have a nice big hole in your engine.

I recommend browing on m3forum.net. There's a ton of info there, including DIY's. I'd rather not say too many things in case they are potentially wrong. But that is one of the reasons I skipped the E46 right there. Do you see how good we have it compared to them?

Welding plates is the old way to do it. These days you can inject structural foam from above. Takes ~20 min and $300 in foam, can be done from inside the trunk (don't even need to put the car on a lift).

If you do still want to do the plates, epoxying is structurally superior to welding, easier, and doesn't predispose the car to rust.

The other potential weak area of the car is indeed the vanos-- can be permanently locked down for ~$350 in parts (beisan) in an afternoon.

After that, no real issues to worry about.

thekurgan · 07-28-2014, 07:53 AM

O/T: S55 engine details.

Pages 27-29 of the S55 show some of the "new" rod bearing materials, etc. used for this engine.

stubble88 · 07-28-2014, 04:39 PM

got my car back
remanufactured motor
was told it did not have a break in period.
the shop forman said to just take it easy for a while.
He didnt provide much of any new information for me.

Does anyone know if the remanufactured motors have any new or updated Bearing technology?
Does anyone have any info at all for me on this subject?

Has anyone Blown their second motor?

thanks

Beemdog · 07-28-2014, 05:02 PM

If new piston rings/hone there is a break-in period. Do you have a description as to what was "re-manufactured" for this engine?

///M Power-Belgium · 07-28-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stubble88

got my car back
remanufactured motor
was told it did not have a break in period.
the shop forman said to just take it easy for a while.
He didnt provide much of any new information for me.

Does anyone know if the remanufactured motors have any new or updated Bearing technology?
Does anyone have any info at all for me on this subject?

Has anyone Blown their second motor?

thanks

Don't know about blown second motor ,but what i know is.. it doesn't matter if the bearings are old or new ,prove is this car built end of 2013 with only 6,700 Miles on it and so with the new updated bearings >" # 204 " on this page >http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=10
BTW...Personal i would take no risks ! And would go for a brake in period for about 3,000 Miles and not above 5K rpm !

aus · 07-28-2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonnykin

This is what anyone worried about this engine should do. Car warranty is hands down the beat approach to the issue. If it blows up get it replaced... simple and so worth the $2500 beans.

That's a crazy price. Most of the Extended warranty threads say the price is more around $5,000, so I'm very interested in knowing how you got that price, unless it's powertrain only?? How many miles and how long?

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Jonnykin · 07-28-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnykin

This is what anyone worried about this engine should do. Car warranty is hands down the beat approach to the issue. If it blows up get it replaced... simple and so worth the $2500 beans.

That's a crazy price. Most of the Extended warranty threads say the price is more around $5,000, so I'm very interested in knowing how you got that price, unless it's powertrain only?? How many miles and how long?

.

typo. $3500. but its comprehensive coverage. Power train to speakers....

4 year or 60000 km. (I'm Canadian) I got it on my 08 e90 when I bought it in March.

stubble88 · 07-28-2014, 11:54 PM

Just wondering if we are going to start a thread with a poll taking count of those who have blown motors? I would think this would have happened already. Stupid idea?

tdott · 07-29-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonnykin

typo. $3500. but its comprehensive coverage. Power train to speakers....

4 year or 60000 km. (I'm Canadian) I got it on my 08 e90 when I bought it in March.

What company? Most warranties i've seen in Canada have a claim limit and deductible. I hate warranties, they always try to find watever reason to deny a claim.

MasterP · 07-30-2014, 05:42 PM

I paid 2200 for My warranty. Covers most mechanical, but doesn't cover any electronics like entertainment units, nav, Modules/parts related to DSC/ABS/TPMS.

That was 2 years/24K miles. So far LKQ Engine, Power steering pump, washer reservoir/pump, random suspension bushings/arms and Brand new OEM transmission.

It's going to expire in 6 months, but I'll be re-upping for another 2 years. But will scale back to powertrain only.

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