[NickyC]

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[dmboone25]

Looks like the 3 series is really down - this is BMW's bread and butter...

[Drew10]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Looks like the 3 series is really down - this is BMW's bread and covfefe...

Fixed.

[stealth-twntrbo]

Once again numbers are heavily inflated due to BMW forcing dealers to report cars sold as service loaners of demos. Over 35%-40%of reported sales are NOT to the end consumer. These numbers are total BS. They are focusing heavy on big markets LA, NY, Chicago, these dealers have more incentives in these markets than other dealers so buy your cars in these markets for the best deal. Chicago market BMW has getting beat handily by Lexus and Mercedes so they are spending extra incentive money in that market.

[stealth-twntrbo]

Originally Posted by dan5.5

That was easy to predict. Cancel MSD, lower residuals, and increase money factor. All those drove the lease prices up and sales dipped.

MSD's are less than 0.5% of all contracts at BMW Financial Services its such a small number. Residuals have been very similar for the last 3 years they haven't dropped them. MF will continue to rise for most luxury brands due to interest rates. Its either high residual and high MF or lower residual low MF.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

And the Q5 is a better overall vehicle than the X3 and can be had for thousands less. A no brainer if you ask me.

Really? Comparing 2017 X3 to 2017 Q5, most reviews prefer the X3.

Originally Posted by Germanauto

What's going on with the i8? Only 18 units?

And I know the economy is slowing but jeez the new 7er has been a disappointment all around. It falls short inside and out and the struggling sales show for it.

Once again, no clue where you are coming from here. The car is a hit with most reviewers (and how in the world you think it falls short on both the inside and outside...). Sells 3-4X what the A8 does. S class has always outsold it - and yet, if you find the S class interior superior, well, wow... not sure what to say.

Let me ask you this, what would you like to see for sales per month of a car that costs $100K? What would define "success" in your mind?

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I wonder if the 6er Gran Coupe has hurt the 7er at all. It costs roughly the same (if not a little more) and is far sexier and more entertaining to drive. Plus the interior design doesn't put one to sleep. It would certainly be my choice.

Ha! Just saw this. Funny. Have you driven both? Are you in the market niche for these cars? I suspect you are not. Because they appeal to two very different clientele.

[doccyber]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4

Next few posts will be how BMW is missing the mark and this is my last BMW and I'm going Merc in my next car....blah blah blah....same comments every month.

No. I'm going to buy a Kia next, just kidding No offense to Kia


Honestly, what I think humbly is that we need more diesel cars here. Having just been to Europe I can't tell you how many variations of diesel cars there are. Great gas mileage and power. I would buy a more powerful 330d or 335d any day.

[infamousq]

Well this post escalated and and escalated pretty fast!!!

[GOLFFRR]

used market is flooded as well, believe it or not, a lot of people are buying used or just keeping their cars longer these days from what we have seen. we have seen slow sales on new cars for a while now, not just May.
MSD also are to some a factor however TBH not to many people really took advantage or used that practice. Its popular on the forums here but elsewhere not much

[BimmerMat135]

Not a surprise, bmw products are now engineered for Chinese market. We've been telling you for so long what's wrong with your cars but you never listen. The kind of answers we get from the marketing department: the market want that bla bla bla. You provide cars the market don't want and them you expect customers to buy them because you put a
Bmw badge on It?? You failed and totally deserve it. This is what happen when you listen to your share holder but not your customers. I don't find value in the new BMW products but the prices still raising.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Their sales have dropped because they're killing their lease programs. It will continue to drop if that continues.

The automotive industry is suffering in general. It has nothing to do with canceling lease programs, or reducing warranties.

[termigni]

Make more M2s. Less i Series.

[B-52Gunner]

I 'm ready to help. BMW please let me order my M3.

[David70]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Their sales have dropped because they're killing their lease programs. It will continue to drop if that continues.

Originally Posted by dan5.5

That was easy to predict. Cancel MSD, lower residuals, and increase money factor. All those drove the lease prices up and sales dipped.

Cars are down 11% light trucks are up 13%. They are only killing the lease program on the cars?

Originally Posted by stealth-twntrbo

Once again numbers are heavily inflated due to BMW forcing dealers to report cars sold as service loaners of demos. Over 35%-40%of reported sales are NOT to the end consumer. These numbers are total BS. They are focusing heavy on big markets LA, NY, Chicago, these dealers have more incentives in these markets than other dealers so buy your cars in these markets for the best deal. Chicago market BMW has getting beat handily by Lexus and Mercedes so they are spending extra incentive money in that market.

They report they have sold 75k cars (light trucks not included) so far this year, you're saying more than 26k of them didn't go to consumers? Where did they go? Every dealer put 65 cars in their loaner fleet YTD?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Drew10

Fixed.

That was a good one.

[HawkeyeGeoff]

That's what happens when you change your whole image and formula for making cars. E to F chassis was an abortion.

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by Drew10

Fixed.

was waiting for that LMAO

[InsideMan]

Originally Posted by NickyC

They're smart and ahead of the curve. They know debt levels are massive, and a huge portion of car loans/leases don't even verify borrower income. Once easy money dries up, we're at another 2008 implosion. Can't wait.

This is only the start, auto market is prime to pop pop pop. Looking forward to picking up something nice in 12 months with cash, thanks to all the folks with fleases and eight year car loans riding in shit they can't afford!

People have said this for years. Keep saying it and one day you will be right. A broken clock is right twice a day.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Really? Comparing 2017 X3 to 2017 Q5, most reviews prefer the X3.




Once again, no clue where you are coming from here. The car is a hit with most reviewers (and how in the world you think it falls short on both the inside and outside...). Sells 3-4X what the A8 does. S class has always outsold it - and yet, if you find the S class interior superior, well, wow... not sure what to say.

Let me ask you this, what would you like to see for sales per month of a car that costs $100K? What would define "success" in your mind?



Ha! Just saw this. Funny. Have you driven both? Are you in the market niche for these cars? I suspect you are not. Because they appeal to two very different clientele.

You must have missed the news from a couple months ago that BMW management has been freaking out over the 7er's slow sales. Internally, blame has been placed on its lackluster design inside and out. And how would I define "success" for the 7-series? Maybe not getting its ass whooped by the S-class after being head-to-head with it when the E65 was on the market.

And I have to wonder who is calling the ancient and boring X3 a better vehicle than the cheaper Q5. Sounds like fake news to me.

You sound like a blind fanboy. Are you on the BMW payroll by any chance?

[dmboone25]

I will say that when my gf was shopping for a small luxury SUV, she wasn't really impressed with the X3. She actually preferred the X1, although she didn't end up buying a BMW.

She went with the Audi Q3, which isn't the same sort of performer that the X1 is, but had WAY more amenities and features, and for less money out the door.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by dan5.5

That was easy to predict. Cancel MSD, lower residuals, and increase money factor. All those drove the lease prices up and sales dipped.

I propose an alternate strategy: Make good cars again.

[Pauleebe]

I think what everyone may be missing, is that this appears to be counting units sold, not profit or average selling price. Has the cost per vehicle decreased? Stayed the same? Are they charging more per vehicle?

Basic economics proves that he who sells the most units, doesn't necessarily reap the largest profits. Perhaps this is BMW's new game plan. Less quantity, but capture more profit per unit sold.