New Bimmerworld S65 Headers?

Obioban · 08-20-2014, 08:35 AM

I'd hold off to see some independent dynos (with headers and tunes SEPARATED) before spending any money. Many (e.g. supersprint) have looked into this and found no viable gains.

That said, I would not be surprised if they were moving power rather than making power. As in, on the S54 their mid pipe adds a ton (30rwhp alone) to the top end, at the expense of bottom/middle range. Good for a track/race car, terrible for a street car. I could see them making a racing header optimized in the same way (which there is certainly nothing wrong with, so long as you're buying something appropriate for your needs).

Engine out install sounds annoying. I wonder if you could get away with supporting the engine from above and dropping the front subframe. BMW claims you need to remove the engine to swap headers on the e60 M5, but I was able to install supersprint headers in one with that method.

Obioban · 08-20-2014, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

That's a pretty big jump in torque from what I can see. I'd love to have a 3300lb/400whp track car...that would be a monster! I don't think this is the worst deal ever. Look how many people buy E46 CSL intakes. Rep or real...its $2k+ and a tune. This is only the start. I think as time goes you'll see more gains from trial and error and R&D.

But the whole engine coming out part...not too appealing.

Anyone buying the CSL airbox for power is a fool.

--2nd round CSL air box owner.

lsmkr01 · 08-20-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave07997S

If you want the non catted its just under $1200.

Dave

I mentioned to the that they should concider making their x-pipe in the standard size too. All they would need to do is make longer connection pieces from the X to the header flange which is easy. Its a well build and designed piece thats priced right, just sucks it is sized (3") for their headers.

W/// · 08-20-2014, 01:57 PM

Subjectively, I think it's pretty raspy for me.

MFL · 08-20-2014, 02:36 PM

lol.

IMG · 03-03-2015, 08:40 PM

Dropped my car off today to get Long tube 4 to 1 headers and a 3" Xpipe installed. Will do a thread with a before the before and after Dynos.

s85e90 · 03-03-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IMG

Dropped my car off today to get Long tube 4 to 1 headers and a 3" Xpipe installed. Will do a thread with a before the before and after Dynos.

Who's building them?

IMG · 03-03-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by s85e90

Who's building them?

Ill have more details over the weekend and i will start a thread with a baseline and after install comparo.
They are built exclusively for P1 Motorcars !

Pro-AM3 · 04-15-2015, 08:05 PM

I guess nobody ever tried these ones out?

dwennerberg · 04-16-2015, 12:45 AM

I have them on my car. With baselines of the car. And everything in the middle.
These parts made exactly the power they claimed. Around 30ftlbs in the mid range.
My car was light on the base line.
I track this car and it pulls a Dinan stage 2 car with the same tires and wheels. Basically two spec e92s. BY 5 car lengths at the end of the straight.
Install can be done in less than a day in the car.
Ask all questions you want.
I had mine coated black. Looks great.

Patrón · 04-16-2015, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwennerberg

I have them on my car. With baselines of the car. And everything in the middle.
These parts made exactly the power they claimed. Around 30ftlbs in the mid range.
My car was light on the base line.
I track this car and it pulls a Dinan stage 2 car with the same tires and wheels. Basically two spec e92s. BY 5 car lengths at the end of the straight.
Install can be done in less than a day in the car.
Ask all questions you want.
I had mine coated black. Looks great.

How much, any pics?

Pro-AM3 · 04-16-2015, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwennerberg

I have them on my car. With baselines of the car. And everything in the middle.
These parts made exactly the power they claimed. Around 30ftlbs in the mid range.
My car was light on the base line.
I track this car and it pulls a Dinan stage 2 car with the same tires and wheels. Basically two spec e92s. BY 5 car lengths at the end of the straight.
Install can be done in less than a day in the car.
Ask all questions you want.
I had mine coated black. Looks great.

Can we see these dynos's?

dwennerberg · 04-16-2015, 02:24 PM

Text me for pics 949-375-2695.

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