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Ha! It's not that easy my friend. I'll admit, I have been feeling less enthusiastic myself, and was pretty sure the f30 was my last BMW. But, with news of the imminent release of the M235i, here I am again. It's hard to un-enthusiast yourself. |
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09-27-2013, 07:49 PM | #113 |
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Good lord, BMW is shitting cars like Jay-Z shits rap albums. There are so many models and sub-models of models and M sub-model models, it's totally out of control.
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09-27-2013, 10:08 PM | #114 |
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don't worry there will be a lot of magazines telling that the fwd bimmer is something short of the second coming, and there will be a forum for that car where people will say they are happy with their "beasts" and how beautiful the car is and bla bla bla, and sometime from now the echoes of the voices of those who spoke the truth will not be heard. it happened with the x1, it happened with the turbo bimmers, it happened with the 5gt, it happened with the m4 name, and it will continue to happen until bmw won't be bmw anymore but a new audi brand. I will only say that now my wall is filled with posters of 997 gt3's which I am starting to respect more than the couple of bimmers in my garage...
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09-27-2013, 11:27 PM | #118 | |
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Easy, they will make the driver sit in the back on the rear axel!
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If so, then this will be yet ANOTHER car that I won't even look at/test drive (aka, will lose my money). I recently went back to FWD (my wife's car) and I remembered instantly why I stopped driving them all those years ago. Even Madza's very fun to drive FWD cars (for a fraction of the cost a 1 series will probably go for) are not nearly as fun to drive as a AWD or RWD car.
Maybe the 1 series will at least come with an AWD option... |
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09-28-2013, 03:36 AM | #120 |
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Every few months a post like this pops up, and everyone starts complaining all over again.
And, again, I'll ask that the neigh sayers go drive a Mini (if they haven't already) and report how "terrible" the car performed. Mini = FWD Mini = BMW Mini = Fantastic Therefore, a FWD BMW should be Fantastic. GET OVER IT! Claiming to run off to another MFG because of something that hasn't even been produced yet just shows how much of a "fair weather fan" you are. BMW will do just fine with or without you. I, myself, am hoping to snag an m2 GC or an M235i GC (if they make either model) as it should be e46 sized and perfect for the next 10+ years for me. That car is at least 2 years out, I'm at least 5 years from purchasing one, I will keep it for about 10 years, so who knows what BMW will be producing (or not producing) after that. I should be quite aged at that point, probably ready for a 4er GC, a 6er GC or an SAV.
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Why bother making an RWD 2 series just to cripple it later? Totally pointless and a betrayal of those who buy BMW other than to look good BMW's USP has been rear drive 50:50 weight distribution with precision handling. I for one will not be spending BMW price money on a FWD car, if I want that kind of car I'd save money and buy a Skoda or Seat which will drive just as well and cost 1000s less. |
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I obviously have no personal knowledges with which to pass judgement but I would still say not to sell anyone too short. My wife drove a RWD 335i for multiple winters, and she has no track experience. It was even a 6MT. Never a complaint - in fact she praised the car for its ability to handle foul weather and openly wondered what all the fuss with RWD was about. And lest you think it was a fluke situation, believe me when I say she still has all the pesky wife driving habits and I still had (and have) the urge to correct her when I ride as a passenger with her. Just one man's experience.
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Regarding price, I don't think we should expect a 1 Series to undercut a 2 Series any more than a 3 Series does a 4 Series. |
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If BMW can make FWD and xDrive models and already have the tooling for RWD why not just make a RWD option for those of us who want the correct wheels to power the car? I don't want to be nasty but this is a shift to style over substance which will ultimately cheapen the brand - you can't have an exclusive car brand that everyone owns - that is a non sequitur. Stick to what you do best |
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I don't care what they do with their numerical nomenclature, FWD or electro steering as long as they FOREVER offer a RWD, ~3300 pound, ~330 hp/tq, reasonably priced, 2-door, 4-seat coupe available with either a six-speed manual or a whatever-speed DCT auto and is STILL fun to drive. LSD optional.
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I guess a FWD 1 series will still loose the sales battle against VW and Audi.
In this moment F20/F21 are unique in the Compact Segment as being a RWD models. I'm sure most of the customers bought it due to this reason. I also don't understand how using the same platform for 1 series and 2 series as RWD models can't be profitable. Changing the next 2 series to FWD will be another big mistake. Time will tell. |
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