[RoundelM3]

So no M350 without xdrive? No thanks, I'll keep my F80 M3 and X3 sDrive30i.

[harperium]

Originally Posted by jdhiro

Given the broad EV mandates for 2035... yup, this is probably the last of the ICE cars.

Please let the last ICE M3 be a stunner.

Those ICE bans won't actually make it into law. We're 12 years out, and there is already a lot of pushback. Today the news was that the House of Representatives was taking up a bill to ban the ICE bans... so, the closer we get to 2035, the political pressure will ratchet up and politicians who are against the bans will be voted in, and the bans will be wiped away. People don't like to be forced to do something (wear masks, get vaccines), or buy something they don't want (EVs)...

When we went from horses to cars, that was consumer-driven - people desired them. Totally different for a govt to try to force change in one of the economy's biggest areas. This isn't the EU forcing Apple to put in a USB-C port on an iPhone.

ICE ain't dead yet. Gasoline will be with us for the next 100 years.

[cobramite]

The guys who are banking on an EV only landscape in the next 5-10 years are in for a surprise. Electric is part of the future but is most certainly not "the" future. Fossil fuels are NOT going away and neither are the vehicles(cars, trucks, boats, trains, heavy equipment, military vehicles, jet airliners, cargo ships, and more) that run on them. Bet strong money on that one. Take all the ridiculous mandates and predictions from the tree huggers and radical politicians with a huge grain of salt as none of this is going to happen in the short term. We are decades away from any serious transitions as the technology has a very long way to go.

[SW19]

Will the G50 still be produced in Munich and Mexico?

[rjd_F30]

M350 will probably end up being called the M350e. It's likely that it will use the same powertrain in the current X5 50e. It's expected in the G60 as well, in the form of the 550e (no M preceding for the 5er, think M340i and 540i).

[BitchinManWheels]

I’ll get excited when I see the front end…

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by harperium

ICE ain't dead yet. Gasoline will be with us for the next 100 years.

$1 says you'll change your mind before 10 years have passed.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by cobramite

The guys who are banking on an EV only landscape in the next 5-10 years are in for a surprise. Electric is part of the future but is most certainly not "the" future. Fossil fuels are NOT going away and neither are the vehicles(cars, trucks, boats, trains, heavy equipment, military vehicles, jet airliners, cargo ships, and more) that run on them. Bet strong money on that one. Take all the ridiculous mandates and predictions from the tree huggers and radical politicians with a huge grain of salt as none of this is going to happen in the short term. We are decades away from any serious transitions as the technology has a very long way to go.

BMW has a pretty clear strategy of relegating its ICE models to covering the needs of third world markets where bad government or crumbling economy make infrastructure improvements required by EVs difficult or impossible. The US definitely has the potential to become one of those markets, exactly thanks to radical politicians - just not the ones you're thinking about.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by rjd_F30

M350 will probably end up being called the M350e. It's likely that it will use the same powertrain in the current X5 50e. It's expected in the G60 as well, in the form of the 550e (no M preceding for the 5er, think M340i and 540i).

No.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by SW19

Will the G50 still be produced in Munich and Mexico?

Too soon to tell.

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

$1 says you'll change your mind before 10 years have passed.

I'll take that bet and raise you $2...

[bimmerbenz65]

So does this mean the expected 2025 updates (LCI 2.0?) will be for one year only? Or will the new model be a 2027?

Any updates on the 2025 changes?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

NOT true there is a backdoor language for the ability for synthetic e-fuels...

So the ICE motor can live on just needs the ability to run on E-fuels. An the ability for it to be produced. It pumps and transmits the same way as gas today.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...-combustion-en


I would think to maximize an ICE motor it likely would be hybrid to some degree even if mild.


But to say the ICE motor is dead in Europe is an understatement.

If Efuels production got up to demand amounts and cost came down it would make EVs pointless.

https://youtu.be/VUKN3m8wD2Q?si=R74oGTHb_uR4G0vq


https://youtu.be/J4EC8cDTvSg?si=jNokNTjKs1x9gUE7

https://youtu.be/dO1RiTCZFFg?si=aJ4YDh3GiouBDWx0

I appreciate your energy and sentiments towards ICE. I want to save them as much as you do. But EFuel isn’t the answer. They are using it as a stop gap. I also like EVs a lot. I like they exist for performance and a different feel to drive.

And the mining of minerals eventually will dry up. Same with the components of E Fuel.

Fossil fuels are abundant. Manageable for economies. We need better efficiency, perhaps stop coal plants and begin to steer towards nuclear power. Once that happens- people won’t want gas. The power of EV and ease of use might finally win out.

Let’s make it a fair fight and let the consumer choose. I don’t appreciate politics - this is about moving along technology. Let’s remember the upsides to advancement. But do so in a far and guided manner.

[DocWeatherington]

JK479

E fuels won't ever dry up... It's not a political statement... its pure science.

You opened the conversation .

Your taking CO2 emissions that's already in the atmosphere and taking it out similar to what plants do( make oxygen ) they convert it into fuel then the cars send the CO2 back out. It's a cycle that would never end as it's net zero. Your not increasing the total CO2 levels to add to globe warming claim.

The biggest issue with it is lack of mass production and current costs.

Another point EVs in general have shorter service life especially the battery which is costly to produce and the resources needed from the environment are much higher than an ICE motor. An in comparison an ICE motor can work for decades where as a battery only has so many charges no matter what you do. How many 15 or 20yr old EVs will be on the road zero how many late 90s or early 2000 vechiles which have been maintained are still churning along. EVs are like phones out dated 1yr later and how long does your battery longevity last in any iPhone.

To the second point look at how many nuclear power plants have come on line in the last 20yrs worldwide vs how many have been shut down?

The average age of U.S. commercial nuclear power reactors that were operational as of August 1, 2023, is about 42 years. The oldest operating reactor is Nine Mile Point Unit 1 in New York State, which entered commercial service in December 1969. The newest reactor to enter service is Vogtle Unit 3 at the Alvin W. Vogtle Electric Generating Plant in Georgia that began commercial operation on July 31, 2023. The next-youngest operating reactor is Watts Bar Unit 2, in Tennessee, which began commercial electricity generation in October 2016.

Hybrid powertrains with E miles are the future if someone asked my opinion.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

Please God don't make the new M3/4 fugly.

The odds are not in our favor

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by JMD

Wow! A 9 year run!

I think there's a reason for both this and the longish current gen. That's the cheapest way to bridge to 2035, when the EV mandates start to hit hard in multiple jurisdictions worldwide.

[TheMaxXHD]

Gas cars will most certainly be relevant particularly outside of wealthy nations beyond 2035.

The question is, will it be still relevant in 2035 in places like the US? It’s hard to answer.

It becomes less a factor of relevancy and more a factor of volume and money. Gas may be here to stay for decades to come in various of ways, even used gas vehicles, baring even more drastic regulations.

The market will take care of the rest where regulations don’t. If but only the most ardent gas car enthusiasts purchase new gas cars in 2035 in say the US, then it will be hard to justify for companies to spend valuable R&D and production line time producing them.

New PHEV hybrids could still be relevant in 2035 in the US, they already are fairly popular and do a good job bridging the gap between the two and it’s hard to say when the cutoff to full EV will be, but it is pretty likely the new ICE only (not PHEV) vehicle will be pretty much dead by then, if not by regulation, by market forces.

And it’s quite possible full EVs will be pretty much it by then as well, it’s hard to predict over 10 years from now. The future is bright for EVs though, and the vehicle to replace my M340i someday will likely be an EV, and I cannot wait, EVs are exciting to me, once they work the kinks out

[10"]

Originally Posted by nunzo

Next M3 is more than likely electric.

no way it will be fully electric.
Hybrid if anything.

[10"]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

$1 says you'll change your mind before 10 years have passed.

Nah…it’s all hype.

[BimmerMat135]

Something tell me that a lot of ICE Bmw will have EOP date in October/November/December of 2034. I wonder if they will keep making some ice for specifics markets past 2035.

[F87Tomei]

Hope they don’t mess up “H”

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by bimmerbenz65

So does this mean the expected 2025 updates (LCI 2.0?) will be for one year only? Or will the new model be a 2027?

Any updates on the 2025 changes?

In the main thread, I talk about the discrepancy between the EOP of G20 and SOP of G50. One of those numbers is wrong, I just don't know which one. Though the difference is not large, and LCI2 is going to have ~1.5 year run in any case.