SYT_Shadow wroteI've always found it interesting that people can't be bothered to search and look at the history of whichever tuner they plan on doing business with. This forum has almost a decade worth of info but most seem to just rely on the first couple circlejerk threads they find and don't go any deeper. To your point, I suppose it doesn't matter much for an OTS tune.At this point I have heard horrible things about most of the tuners.
I could make a list but I'd probably be banned as half are sponsors here.
There are some tuners on this board which are not even tuners. I mean literally, one of the guys mentioned in this thread used to be a sales guy at another tuner and now has 'become' a tuner himself. Awesome! I'm an engineer but I spend a lot of time near doctors... soon I'll be performing my own operations! Raise your hand if you're interested!
Another 'tuner' not mentioned here doesn't even pretend to be one. I won't do business with him after he didn't refund me for something else he sells. After a few months of back and forth and hearing 'the money is coming soon' I just gave up.
Meanwhile, the 60-130 database of E9X M3s is dominated by systems from a single tuner... whose users use completely stock calibrations while setting their records. No custom bullsh!t. But wait, let me stop and ponder who I want to tune my car...
My conclusion is:
Almost all of the tunes come from the same people so as long as you're doing an OTS tune you should be fine.
It's when people start pushing the envelope with 'custom tunes' and other BS that they run into problems.
Moral of the story? Get on OTS tune from whomever you want as it is likely the same.
SYT_Shadow wroteI agree 100%. I'd like to add that the tuner not mentioned also left some power on the table for one reason and one reason only. To save motors.At this point I have heard horrible things about most of the tuners.
I could make a list but I'd probably be banned as half are sponsors here.
There are some tuners on this board which are not even tuners. I mean literally, one of the guys mentioned in this thread used to be a sales guy at another tuner and now has 'become' a tuner himself. Awesome! I'm an engineer but I spend a lot of time near doctors... soon I'll be performing my own operations! Raise your hand if you're interested!
Another 'tuner' not mentioned here doesn't even pretend to be one. I won't do business with him after he didn't refund me for something else he sells. After a few months of back and forth and hearing 'the money is coming soon' I just gave up.
Meanwhile, the 60-130 database of E9X M3s is dominated by systems from a single tuner... whose users use completely stock calibrations while setting their records. No custom bullsh!t. But wait, let me stop and ponder who I want to tune my car...
My conclusion is:
Almost all of the tunes come from the same people so as long as you're doing an OTS tune you should be fine.
It's when people start pushing the envelope with 'custom tunes' and other BS that they run into problems.
Moral of the story? Get on OTS tune from whomever you want as it is likely the same.
Iyzmi wroteYes. Let me modify the software that runs this 25k machine... yup, 30 seconds of 'research' should be plenty!I've always found it interesting that people can't be bothered to search and look at the history of whichever tuner they plan on doing business with. This forum has almost a decade worth of info but most seem to just rely on the first couple circlejerk threads they find and don't go any deeper. To your point, I suppose it doesn't matter much for an OTS tune.
Patrón wroteThat's another good one.I agree 100%. I'd like to add that the tuner not mentioned also left some power on the table for one reason and one reason only. To save motors.
SYT_Shadow wroteI can't imagine the number of miles and hours it takes to log for R&D for a tune.That's another good one.
You have vendor X who designed a supercharger system which runs extremely well and has sold hundreds if not thousands of units. Those systems with stock software dominate the E9X performance charts.
Somehow, some people elect to use practically random tuners to 'get more horses' out of their systems. These tuners don't even have a supercharger system they sell, yet somehow their software is supposed to be better than the one designed by the people who built the entire system and have sold hundreds/thousands of them?
I mean seriously, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
FRNTHVY wroteI would highly recommend Mike at BPM TuningHello All,
Has anyone used RK-Tunes before? I did some searching and did it really find anything. Here is their info:
https://www.rktunes.com/collections/m3/products/performance-tune-for-e9x-m3-2008-2013
Thanks!
JsL wroteit's nice to have a custom tune but like me, i'm tuned for 93. i'm concerned what I should do when i travel west where only 91 is available. my point is, what happens when you go somewhere with hotter weather at sea level?Luckily we all live at the same elevation, use the same gas from the same gas station, have the same temp, humidity and atmospheric pressure so there is no reason to get a custom tune.
It's not crazy to use a tune that didn't come with the mfg of your supercharger. Sometimes one size fits all isn't really for everyone.
Patrón wroteReally depends on how your tuner has calibrated it. We don't modify the knock control parameters so if you put 91 in, the car will just pull back timing - and then it will take some time for it to add it back once better fuel is put back in.it's nice to have a custom tune but like me, i'm tuned for 93. i'm concerned what I should do when i travel west where only 91 is available. my point is, what happens when you go somewhere with hotter weather at sea level?
Iyzmi wroteLots of drama over tunes way back when. Some folks were lucky to come out as clean as they did.I've always found it interesting that people can't be bothered to search and look at the history of whichever tuner they plan on doing business with. This forum has almost a decade worth of info but most seem to just rely on the first couple circlejerk threads they find and don't go any deeper. To your point, I suppose it doesn't matter much for an OTS tune.
SYT_Shadow wroteAgree 100% You'd be amazed what some will risk to save $100. Just ends up costing more in the long run.That's another good one.
You have vendor X who designed a supercharger system which runs extremely well and has sold hundreds if not thousands of units. Those systems with stock software dominate the E9X performance charts.
Somehow, some people elect to use practically random tuners to 'get more horses' out of their systems. These tuners don't even have a supercharger system they sell, yet somehow their software is supposed to be better than the one designed by the people who built the entire system and have sold hundreds/thousands of them?
I mean seriously, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Mike Benvo wrotethat is what I was hoping but it's hard to stay away from the redline. i'm hoping the country sees the light and changes to higher octane coast to coast. i read that there is research showing higher comp ratio/higher octane is more effeciant, maybe that will persuade them...Really depends on how your tuner has calibrated it. We don't modify the knock control parameters so if you put 91 in, the car will just pull back timing - and then it will take some time for it to add it back once better fuel is put back in.
Patrón wroteA lot. It's a very expensive and exhaustive process. It blows my mind that people just blindly trust "tuners". Will they really stand behind their product when it causes damage to a $25,000 powertrain?I can't imagine the number of miles and hours it takes to log for R&D for a tune.
SYT_Shadow wroteDon't think there was anything bad about Jordan from RK noted.To set the record straight, I haven't heard anything bad about rk.
I was making a more general comment related to tunes
