Iyzmi a écritLes roues AG 19x9 sont décalées de +18 et la plupart des gens qui ont essayé d'exécuter un 255 sur eux rapportent frotter. En outre, le filtre à air ESS pousse contre la doublure de l'aile et frotte déjà un peu avec mes 245s actuels donc je ne pense pas que le plus grand 255 serait une bonne option.
Un 255/35 ne serait-il pas plus court que l'oem 245/40 ?
SYT_Shadow a écritUn 255/35 ne serait-il pas plus court que l'oem 245/40 ?
OEM est 245/35/19. Je suis sur des roues de 220M en ce moment.
Iyzmi a écritMerci pour la découverte. Je suis entre quelques options, toutes avec Avante Garde M359s et suspension stock non-ZCP:
1) 19x9/19x10 245/275 - peut-être pas assez d'adhérence arrière avec le SC
2) 19x9/19x10 245/295 - trop de décalage
3) 19x10/19x10 275/295 - direction lourde et perte de sensation
J'aimerais pouvoir faire 19x9/19x10 255/295 car ce serait un compromis équitable entre les options ci-dessus, mais les roues AG frotteraient avec une 255. Je penche pour l'option 3 mais je n'aime pas l'idée de la direction lourde et de la perte de sensation...
Je ne recommanderais pas un 295 sur une roue de 10". Cela peut être fait, mais loin d’être idéal. Je n'irais pas plus loin qu'une roue de 10,5 pouces avec un 295.
Voir le post d'Apex ci-dessus. Super info là-bas !
FWIW Je cours en quinconce dans la rue et sur piste. Je vais probablement aller avec carré sur la piste pour des raisons de rotation et d'économies de coûts. Des fonds illimités avec lesquels je resterais échelonné. Il peut être rendu plus rapide IMO (avec la bonne configuration de voiture). Je courais en quinconce sur une voiture à double usage avec seulement quelques jours de piste par an, et un compresseur.
slicer wroteI know it's not ideal and I'd love to get a 10.5 or 11 on the rear but I really want the ZCP wheel design and don't think 275 will be enough meat to put power down in 2nd. I've seen pics of 295s on ZCPs and I think they look fine, and are (barely) within spec for a 10. The only other wheel I'd consider is the F14 SDC, but whenever I go back and forth I end up leaning towards the ZCPs in terms of looks. So it's all about picking the best compromise.I would not recommend a 295 on a 10" wheel. It can be done but far from ideal. I wouldn't go any narrower than a 10.5" wheel with a 295.
See Apex's post above. Great info there!
Iyzmi wroteWhat model tires do you plan to get? That's a big factor. I would take a 275 tire with more grip over a lower grip 295. There are so many great wheels out there in more appealing sizing. However the ZCP design is great looking, I agree. Also why not get the real deal ZCP instead of a replica?I know it's not ideal and I'd love to get a 10.5 or 11 on the rear but I really want the ZCP wheel design and don't think 275 will be enough meat to put power down in 2nd. I've seen pics of 295s on ZCPs and I think it looks fine. The only other wheel I'd consider is the F14 SDC, but whenever I go back and forth I end up leaning towards the ZCPs in terms of looks. So it's all about picking the best compromise.
Iyzmi wroteAlthough you can technically mount 275 / 295 tires on the square 19x10" wheels, why not run the optimum wheel width front and rear for superior sidewall support?What are your thoughts on 19x10 square ZCP wheels, but with staggered 275/295 tires for a supercharged daily driver? Is the heavier steering worth it for the extra rear grip while maintaining 20mm stagger or is a 275 front really that bad for the street?
Iyzmi wroteSidewall support. If handling and steering response is a primary concern for you, the 10" wheel does not support 295 tires when the car is pushed through a corner. The sidewall will flex and be less responsive to steering input, and ultimaltey feels "mushy" from the drivers perspective. For this reason, corner carvers and track oriented enthusiasts will typically run the widest wheel they can. Now if the car is mainly on the street and you are more focused on straight line grip, the 295's can totally be used.What's the drawback of running a 295 on a 10" wheel on a SC daily driver?
Iyzmi wroteA wider wheel will provide better support for the tire and deliver better performance. Primarily a benefit when cornering. A wider wheel will also increase the usable tread width. Lastly, aesthetically it looks bad.What's the drawback of running a 295 on a 10" wheel on a SC daily driver?
slicer wroteI don't see a 295 on a 10" being heresy, especially in the rear of the carA wider wheel will provide better support for the tire and deliver better performance. Primarily a benefit when cornering. A wider wheel will also increase the usable tread width. Lastly, aesthetically it looks bad.
ApexRaceParts wroteWell said.Although you can technically mount 275 / 295 tires on the square 19x10" wheels, why not run the optimum wheel width front and rear for superior sidewall support?
It all comes down to how you use your car, and your expectations for steering response / feedback, grip etc. 275/30-19 tires will mount up beautifully to the 19x10" wheel, however the 295/30-19 would be best supported by a 19x10.5" or 19x11" wheel.
The major benefit of running a square wheel configuration is the ability to rotate wheels and tires on all four corners of the car. If you stagger the tires, you have negated that ability.
Furthermore, the sidewalls will look fairly different from front to rear when running a setup like this. This may not be a major factor for some, but it is worth mentioning.
Edit: It looks like Slicer has already provided similar info. Thanks Slicer!
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slicer wroteI'm planning on Pilot Sport 4S tires, regardless of which size I end up going with.What model tires do you plan to get? That's a big factor. I would take a 275 tire with more grip over a lower grip 295. There are so many great wheels out there in more appealing sizing. However the ZCP design is great looking, I agree. Also why not get the real deal ZCP instead of a replica?
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SYT_Shadow wroteIt can be done but I still ask why? A wider wheel will deliver better performance with that tire size - and there are tons of options out there. Maybe I'm too anal but if I'm going to take the time to modify something on the car, and have the opportunity to do so in a way that optimizes that modification, then I'm going to do so.I don't see a 295 on a 10" being heresy, especially in the rear of the car
Iyzmi wrote$10k+ on a supercharger and penny pinching on wheels does not make sense to me. There are a lot higher quality options out there. Plus you could buy four 10" ZCP wheels just as easily as four 10" AG. Be sure the powder coated doesn't bake at too high of a temperature as that can weaken the wheel.I'm planning on Pilot Sport 4S tires, regardless of which size I end up going with.
I've seen a lot of wheel pics posted over the years and honestly don't think anything looks as good as ZCP. F14 SDC does come close though.
I can get square AG M359s powder coated in gloss gunmetal shipped to my door for $1,400 brand new. OEM ZCPs would need to be sourced used to keep cost down, and I would still need to add $500 to get them powder coated locally. The only complaint I've seen about the AG wheels is the finish quality/durability being inferior to OEM, which is irrelevant to me since mine would be powder coated anyway. I also would not be able to run 275/295 with a set of OEM staggered ZCP, so I'm back to my "not enough meat" dilemma. Basically I see no reason to get OEM wheels over AG in my case
ApexRaceParts wroteNo excuse other than I like the aesthetics of ZCP wheels.Although you can technically mount 275 / 295 tires on the square 19x10" wheels, why not run the optimum wheel width front and rear for superior sidewall support?
ApexRaceParts wroteI have no interest in running square tires. The 275/30 295/30 combo actually comes very close to identical sidewall height to OEM 245/35 265/35 so that also shouldn't be an issue.It all comes down to how you use your car, and your expectations for steering response / feedback, grip etc. 275/30-19 tires will mount up beautifully to the 19x10" wheel, however the 295/30-19 would be best supported by a 19x10.5" or 19x11" wheel.
The major benefit of running a square wheel configuration is the ability to rotate wheels and tires on all four corners of the car. If you stagger the tires, you have negated that ability. Furthermore, the shape of the sidewalls will look fairly different from front to rear when running a setup like this. This may not be a major factor for some, but it is worth mentioning.
ApexRaceParts wrotePrimary use of the car is on the street so I don't think I'm pushing it enough to notice the drawbacks of lack of sidewall support. However, lack of straight grip is something I do notice with the SC.Sidewall support. If handling and steering response is a primary concern for you, the 10" wheel does not support 295 tires when the car is pushed through a corner. The sidewall will flex and be less responsive to steering input, and ultimaltey feels "mushy" from the drivers perspective. For this reason, corner carvers and track oriented enthusiasts will typically run the widest wheel they can. Now if the car is mainly on the street and you are more focused on straight line grip, the 295's can totally be used.
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slicer wroteIt's not that I'm penny pinching on the wheels, I just happen to think the ZCP wheels look the best at ANY pricepoint. Why would I spend more on ZCP wheels when I can get literally the same exact thing for half the price? They will be powder coated either way because gunmetal is a non-negotiable for me, so they will be "weakened" regardless of AG or OEM. BTW, the SC was $6.5k used. I like saving money where I can$10k+ on a supercharger and penny pinching on wheels does not make sense to me. There are a lot higher quality options out there. Plus you could buy four 10" ZCP wheels just as easily as four 10" AG. Be sure the powder coated doesn't bake at too high of a temperature as that can weaken the wheel.
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Iyzmi wroteI love the look of ZCP wheels too. They are one of my favorite OE wheels of all time. I have strongly considered grabbing a 10" square set over the years. Not being critical about that. However I wouldn't install 295's on them and I wouldn't buy replicas. Sorry but the replica version is not going to be equal quality to OE. Finish, strength, resale, etc are all reduced. I also wouldn't powder coat, I would paint to avoid the potential for weakening. I'm trying to help, I hope it doesn't seem like I'm looking to start an argument here. You can take or leave my opinion.
It's not that I'm penny pinching on the wheels, I just happen to think the ZCP wheels look the best at ANY pricepoint. Why would I spend more on ZCP wheels when I can get literally the same exact thing for half the price? They will be powder coated either way because gunmetal is a non-negotiable for me, so they will be "weakened" regardless of AG or OEM. BTW, the SC was $6.5k used. I like saving money where I can
Iyzmi wroteI wouldn't consider the AG wheels to be "literally the exact same thing" as ZCP wheels. I bet that the OEM ZCP wheels are higher quality and higher strength.
It's not that I'm penny pinching on the wheels, I just happen to think the ZCP wheels look the best at ANY pricepoint. Why would I spend more on ZCP wheels when I can get literally the same exact thing for half the price? They will be powder coated either way because gunmetal is a non-negotiable for me, so they will be "weakened" regardless of AG or OEM. BTW, the SC was $6.5k used. I like saving money where I can
slicer wroteNo worries man, absolutely not taking your posts as argumentative and I appreciate your insight! I've read damn near every wheel related post you've made over the years while researching my options...I love the look of ZCP wheels too. They are one of my favorite OE wheels of all time. I have strongly considered grabbing a 10" square set over the years. Not being critical about that. However I wouldn't install 295's on them and I wouldn't buy replicas. Sorry but the replica version is not going to be equal quality to OE. Finish, strength, resale, etc are all reduced. I also wouldn't powder coat, I would paint to avoid the potential for weakening. I'm trying to help, I hope it doesn't seem like I'm looking to start an argument here. You can take or leave my opinion.
kpewpew wroteI haven't seen anybody say they DON'T like AG wheels. The only complaints I've seen are in regards to the finish chipping. In terms of strengths, I'm sure they will be just fine for my DD purposes.I wouldn't consider the AG wheels to be "literally the exact same thing" as ZCP wheels. I bet that the OEM ZCP wheels are higher quality and higher strength.
Some say they like AG wheels, but if you'd like to get wheels on the relatively cheaper side of the spectrum, you could consider APEX racing's mesh wheels (rotary forged barrel, cast face - ~$1,200-$1600 a set), Bimmerworld's forged wheels (~$2k a set), or Titan 7's forged wheels. (also ~$2k a set)
A simple set of OEM ZCP wheels with 255/275 PSS staggered may do just fine for you - it's just street, and they stick quite decently.
kpewpew wroteAlright, you got me, there is one guy who has complained lol. And he would have most likely bent his wheels regardless of them being AG, as noted in the other posts in that thread.Really? A quick google search shows many results, such as Tired of bent/cracked wheels - Avant Garde M359
Iyzmi wroteCool, glad you took it in the way I meant it. I have tried replica wheels in the past and the hassles of bent and cracked wheels are not for me. I will gladly pay for a higher quality product. You may want to dig a little deeper on the AG's. As shown by the post above^^No worries man, absolutely not taking your posts as argumentative and I appreciate your insight! I've read damn near every wheel related post you've made over the years while researching my options...
Finish will be up to the quality of the powder coat job and will be a factor regardless of OEM vs ZCP. AG 359s are a very common wheel and virtually no one has complained about strength. Resale is of no concern, and given the lower initial cost it would actually likely be better than buying brand new ZCPs if I ended up selling at some point. I would powder coat rather than paint for durability. I know plenty of people with powder coated wheels and not a single one has had issues with weakened wheels so I'm willing to take my chances on the minimal risk.
slicer wroteThe why is simply because he wants to use ZCP wheels.It can be done but I still ask why? A wider wheel will deliver better performance with that tire size - and there are tons of options out there. Maybe I'm too anal but if I'm going to take the time to modify something on the car, and have the opportunity to do so in a way that optimizes that modification, then I'm going to do so.
