Remplacer mon e90 ZCP avec Lexus GSF?

Je dirais que si vous êtes fatigué de l’E90 ou qu’elle est trop haute pour vous en utilisation quotidienne, alors peut-être faire un essai routier de la Lexus et voir ce que vous pensez. Il semble que vous avez déjà fait beaucoup d'entretien, alors considérez ce coût coulé vs. avoir à échanger / payer des taxes de vente sur une autre voiture de 50 000 $. Probablement un lavage pour mettre plus d'argent dans la M3 ou dépenser l'argent pour changer de voiture.

GSF est rad - c'est un grand moteur

La comparaison avec les voitures turbo manque tout le point de la voiture. Il parle au conducteur, fait tous les bons bruits, dirige avec l'accélérateur et il n'est pas trop rapide pour profiter de 3-4 vitesses un jour de cul régulier quand une onramp s'ouvre ou quoi-vous avez. Notre W212 E63 est tout simplement trop rapide et a trop de traction pour être ludique à basse vitesse. C'est un animal, et se faire pousser dans le siège est amusant, mais c'est relativement unidimensionnel par rapport à GSF en tant que voiture de conducteur. Et c'est "lent" par rapport à la dernière récolte d'ubersedans. Et oui, c'est rapide et sophistiqué et européen mais il est aussi déjà beaucoup cassé, avec moins de 31 000 miles, il y a eu plus de problèmes que mon E90M avec 116 000. Ma toundra a 46k et n'a eu aucune défaillance, ce qui est probablement vrai à 146k. Les V8 de Toyota sont des moteurs étonnants. Achetez maintenant et ignorez tous ces M5 et S7 et autres, ils peuvent être plus rapides, mais toutes les voitures de rue sont à la même vitesse que le Grand Tour a récemment souligné, ce que vous voulez est d'avoir plus de plaisir sur le chemin.

Bien sûr, vous seriez aussi un idiot de se débarrasser d'un E90M, donc en supposant que vous êtes si stupide, vous allez ignorer ce conseil

I love my e90m with the big exception of parking at work. If I had surface parking it would be a nonissue, but not an option. Envious of those who work from home.

The big plus of the GSF is reliability.

Touch decision

Make sure you're okay with its design. It's definitely an acquired taste. Strange mix of outdated features and funky new details. E90 is imo one of the best looking sedans and has much more coherent design.

GT3fan wrote

Looking for a possible change and better reliability.

I’ve enjoyed my m3 for the past 2+years. I intended to daily drive it, but only drove it a couple thousand miles. The main reason is because I park in a 12 level parking structure and the LSD groans a lot around every tight corner to the top.

Also, I’ve had to replace the TA’s and HVAC condenser at considerable expense. Now my Indy recommends the valve covers replaced due oil leaking, which smells after a hard run. Bad luck on this 1 owner car w/ under 50k when I bought it I guess.

Has anyone driven a GSF? They are relatively rare and prices have come down a lot. 2016’s are now about $50. I don’t track the car or drive in the canyons anymore and have a 911 as my fun car.

I’ve watched positive reviews on them. Chris Harris prefers it over the f10 m5 and the smoking tire guy raved about the GSF. Motor trend preferred the CTSV, but I don’t need a ballistic missile anymore and prefer a hassle free car instead.

Thoughts?

Hi, I have a 17’ GSF. Here is my review:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1468190

GT3fan wrote

Looking for a possible change and better reliability.

I’ve enjoyed my m3 for the past 2+years. I intended to daily drive it, but only drove it a couple thousand miles. The main reason is because I park in a 12 level parking structure and the LSD groans a lot around every tight corner to the top.

Also, I’ve had to replace the TA’s and HVAC condenser at considerable expense. Now my Indy recommends the valve covers replaced due oil leaking, which smells after a hard run. Bad luck on this 1 owner car w/ under 50k when I bought it I guess.

Has anyone driven a GSF? They are relatively rare and prices have come down a lot. 2016’s are now about $50. I don’t track the car or drive in the canyons anymore and have a 911 as my fun car.

I’ve watched positive reviews on them. Chris Harris prefers it over the f10 m5 and the smoking tire guy raved about the GSF. Motor trend preferred the CTSV, but I don’t need a ballistic missile anymore and prefer a hassle free car instead.

Thoughts?

-Engine is glorious. The sound is amazing. Plus it has useable power/torque. I find every on ramp or empty road to redline it
-Comfortable daily driver, great hwy cruiser
-I’m at about 12K miles, decent gas mileage 25 HWY. So I usually end up at 320 miles when low fuel light comes on.
-Looks are subjective and depend on your tastes. I have always been a fan of the F cars.
-the front bottom lip is carbon fiber, and expensive. I’ve been careful but it still has knicks and scratches.
-19 in rims are hard to clean and brake dust is an issue, but manageable
-Tires have a nice thick sidewall which aides in comfy ride
-it’s not going to beat a M5, but if that’s what your goal is, I would look elsewhere
-the infotainment mouse sensitivity can be adjusted and isn’t as bad as everyone says it is.
-It has an active sound control button, so you can turn it off. It does not pipe in fake engine noise, it emits a frequency that cleans up the engine noise that you do hear. With that said, i just leave it on because the engine sounds great with or without it.
-The aftermarket is not big due to it being a low production car. Hence I have yet to put on an exhaust that is to my liking and budget.
-Being a NA engine car, I don’t plan on ever selling it or trading it in. These will be hard to find in the future outside of domestic muscle.

That’s all I can think of at the moment.

GT3fan wrote

Looking for a possible change and better reliability.

I’ve enjoyed my m3 for the past 2+years. I intended to daily drive it, but only drove it a couple thousand miles. The main reason is because I park in a 12 level parking structure and the LSD groans a lot around every tight corner to the top.

Also, I’ve had to replace the TA’s and HVAC condenser at considerable expense. Now my Indy recommends the valve covers replaced due oil leaking, which smells after a hard run. Bad luck on this 1 owner car w/ under 50k when I bought it I guess.

Has anyone driven a GSF? They are relatively rare and prices have come down a lot. 2016’s are now about $50. I don’t track the car or drive in the canyons anymore and have a 911 as my fun car.

I’ve watched positive reviews on them. Chris Harris prefers it over the f10 m5 and the smoking tire guy raved about the GSF. Motor trend preferred the CTSV, but I don’t need a ballistic missile anymore and prefer a hassle free car instead.

Thoughts?

Here are my experience

I was exactly in your scenario when my E90 M3 6MT was due for an upgrade and I picked the GS-F over everything else as it seemed like the most logical upgrade as it keeps the high revving (relatively speaking) NA V8, 4 Door and RWD.

GS-F drives very similar to a more torquey E90 M3 and the transmission shifts very fast when driven aggressively. The GS-F maybe heavy for 467HP but it still drives very nimble as it is lighter than similar sized performance cars such as the E53/63 or M5. With full bolt-on and tune, the GS-F will be around 440-450 whp which is plenty if you are coming from a E90.

The GS-F is more like the Scion FRS of the Sport/Super Sedan segment, where it's emphasis is not only on acceleration (although 0-60 in 4.3 is not that slow) but rather driver involvement, steering with throttle (Torque Vectoring Rear Diff), handling and etc.

Another thing for me was the reliability aspect, of course there are turbo charged or more technologically advanced motors with tight tolerance that responds so well to tune but the GS-F has a V8 motor derived from the tried and true Toyota trucks and SUVs (All in the Toyota UR engine family). Yes, not as high revving exotic or with all cutting edge technologies, but I can live with that.

The way I look at it is, I can trade the 20% HP deficit or the 1 second slower of 0-60 time or the numerous seconds slower than M5/E63 on this and that track for 200k + reliability and piece of mind (Especially in my financial situation as I don't have the means to swap cars every 2-3 years especially with the depreciation on the performance European cars).

I am willing to spend similar money but only have 80-90% of the fun of a full M or AMG but knowing that my car will last well into 200k range (many high mileage ISFs). In the end I don't have a M or AMG, but I still have a relatively light (~4000 lbs) and practical large sedan with naturally aspirated 7300 RPM V8 RWD and 467 hp.

Bad idea.

Both Toyota and Nissan still benchmark E9x M3 for their luxury coupes.
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shu5892001 wrote

Here are my experience

I was exactly in your scenario when my E90 M3 6MT was due for an upgrade and I picked the GS-F over everything else as it seemed like the most logical upgrade as it keeps the high revving (relatively speaking) NA V8, 4 Door and RWD.

GS-F drives very similar to a more torquey E90 M3 and the transmission shifts very fast when driven aggressively. The GS-F maybe heavy for 467HP but it still drives very nimble as it is lighter than similar sized performance cars such as the E53/63 or M5. With full bolt-on and tune, the GS-F will be around 440-450 whp which is plenty if you are coming from a E90.

The GS-F is more like the Scion FRS of the Sport/Super Sedan segment, where it's emphasis is not only on acceleration (although 0-60 in 4.3 is not that slow) but rather driver involvement, steering with throttle (Torque Vectoring Rear Diff), handling and etc.

Another thing for me was the reliability aspect, of course there are turbo charged or more technologically advanced motors with tight tolerance that responds so well to tune but the GS-F has a V8 motor derived from the tried and true Toyota trucks and SUVs (All in the Toyota UR engine family). Yes, not as high revving exotic or with all cutting edge technologies, but I can live with that.

The way I look at it is, I can trade the 20% HP deficit or the 1 second slower of 0-60 time or the numerous seconds slower than M5/E63 on this and that track for 200k + reliability and piece of mind (Especially in my financial situation as I don't have the means to swap cars every 2-3 years especially with the depreciation on the performance European cars).

I am willing to spend similar money but only have 80-90% of the fun of a full M or AMG but knowing that my car will last well into 200k range (many high mileage ISFs). In the end I don't have a M or AMG, but I still have a relatively light (~4000 lbs) and practical large sedan with naturally aspirated 7300 RPM V8 RWD and 467 hp.

This!

Q: what mods do you have on your GSF? I’m looking for a decent exhaust.

Skkhmund wrote

This!

Q: what mods do you have on your GSF? I’m looking for a decent exhaust.

I currently don't have much mods, I have an apexi catless/resonated mid pipe. The sound is almost stock like when idling, driving normally, has 0 drone but it does get much deeper when above 4k. It gets noticeably louder while gunning through tunnels/bridges vs OEM.

I will probably eventually pair it up with a PPE header since that's where the most hp is at, while keeping the stock axle back for the looks and keeping sound level in check.

I also picked up an RR racing AOS and Apexi High Flow filter, but I am not sure if the RR racing AOS is needed as it may be overkill seen how reliable these motors already are without the AOS.

shu5892001 wrote

I currently don't have much mods, I have an apexi catless/resonated mid pipe. The sound is almost stock like when idling, driving normally, has 0 drone but it does get much deeper when above 4k. It gets noticeably louder while gunning through tunnels/bridges vs OEM.

I will probably eventually pair it up with a PPE header since that's where the most hp is at, while keeping the stock axle back for the looks and keeping sound level in check.

I also picked up an RR racing AOS and Apexi High Flow filter, but I am not sure if the RR racing AOS is needed as it may be overkill seen how reliable these motors already are without the AOS.

I was thinking about Apex as well. Exhaust wise, only options that are not expensive would be Greddy or Tanabe. I’m leaning towards Tanabe though.

Why not M5 at that point vs. Lexus?

Damage Inc wrote

Why not M5 at that point vs. Lexus?

Normally I would have considered an m5 in the past. However, reliability has become my focus trying to reduce expenses with my car hobby now that I have a kid in a private university at almost $80k annually and another kid going to college two years from now, so I have to cut unnecessary expenses. The joys of parenthood!

I plan to drive this replacement vehicle for probably ten plus years and needs to last over 200k miles and be reliable. I have serious doubts of M car reliability at high mileage.

Hence the consideration of the GSF.

GT3fan wrote

almost $80k annually

That is with living expenses. Lots of stories of young graduates with $300k in loans.

Visceral wrote

pbonsalb wrote

That is with living expenses. Lots of stories of young graduates with $300k in loans.

The joys of parenthood that many of us have the pleasure of experiencing.

We just hope our kids make good use of their educations and appreciate the hard work that both the parents and kids go through to obtain the degrees.

shu5892001 a écrit

Je n'ai actuellement pas beaucoup de mods, j'ai un apexi catless/résonated mid pipe. Le son est presque stock comme lorsque vous faites tourner au ralenti, conduisant normalement, a 0 drone mais il devient beaucoup plus profond lorsqu'il dépasse 4k. Il devient nettement plus fort lors de l'abattage à travers les tunnels / ponts vs OEM.

Je finirai probablement par l'associer à un connecteur PPE car c'est là que se trouve le plus de HP, tout en conservant l'essieu arrière pour les looks et en maintenant le niveau sonore sous contrôle.

J'ai également acheté un filtre AOS RR racing et un filtre Apexi High Flow, mais je ne suis pas sûr que le RR racing AOS soit nécessaire car il peut être exagéré de voir à quel point ces moteurs sont déjà fiables sans l'AOS.

Si quelqu'un s'en soucie, j'ai toujours la même voiture de 8 ans. La voiture est FBO depuis 2020 (têtes de longueur égale Catless, Catless X-pipe, Filter et Tune) fait environ 440whp et a actuellement 75k miles et a été à l'épreuve des balles. La seule réparation majeure que j'ai eue était une fuite de liquide de refroidissement dans la plaque de vallée, ce qui est un problème commun avec Toyota et Lexus V8, il a été fixé pour environ 2k. En dehors de cela, juste des changements d'huile normaux et etc.

Je vois que ce thread est de 2019.
En supposant que ce dilemme se pose en 2024,
Je dirais qu’une E90 M3 est rare et unique, aucune des berlines actuelles ne semble aussi sportive tout en étant sous-estimée, la E90 à elle seule a extrêmement bien vieilli.

Personnellement, je choisirais l'IS500 si je cherchais la fiabilité mais toujours pas de manuel.

Il n'y a pas de berline 4 portes de taille e90 avec NA V8 & MT sur le marché !! Par conséquent, l'IS500 serait la meilleure alternative mais cela aussi pourrait ne pas être là pour longtemps !!

Bon timing que je suis tombé sur ça. Je pense aussi que le is500 est le seul vrai nouveau substitut à un e90m3. J'ai fait un test il y a un mois et j'envisageais de vendre mon e90 pour un is500 récemment.

Il y a un remplacement très crédible - Cadillac CT4 V avec un manuel. Je dirais que c’est beaucoup plus proche (en termes de taille, de mission, de sensation et de changement de vitesse) d’une e90 m3 que la Lexus.

CT4V blackwing MT est définitivement plus proche de l'E90 M3 en termes de dynamique de conduite, mais n'a pas un sentiment spécial V8!
Non seulement vous perdez le V8, mais il est également turbocompressé. À ce stade, vous pourriez envisager l'Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio.
Si la transmission manuelle est un must have, alors je suppose CT4 V il est.