Attention all 6 speed MT owners! - 1200 miles service bulletin

Allô !

Je voulais juste laisser une ligne à tous les propriétaires de 6MT sur la visite du service 1200 mile-

Je voudrais m'assurer que tout le monde s'assure que la concession de choix change le liquide de transmission et nettoie le filtre à fluide trans. Je pense que BEAUCOUP de concessionnaires ne changent pas le liquide de transmission.

Si vous n'avez pas encore eu votre service de 1200 miles, s'il vous plaît assurez-vous qu'ils font ce qui suit! Assurez-vous de les stresser.

Si vous avez déjà eu votre service de 1 200 milles, veuillez consulter votre dossier de service pour vérifier que le fluide trans a été remplacé. Il devrait y avoir des pièces facturées pour le liquide trans! Si vous ne voyez pas les pièces facturées, cela n'a probablement pas été fait!

Voici le bulletin de service qui indique la procédure PROPER pour le service M3 1200 mile-

Assurez-vous que votre voiture a été réparée correctement! J'essaie juste de vous aider les gars / gals!



-Bulletin de service BMW- SI B 00 04 08 -Entretien et conseils généraux

M3

Rappel pour les opérations nécessaires au service 1200 Miles:

Remplacer l'huile moteur et le filtre à huile

Remplacez l'huile de transmission sur l'unité manuelle à 6 vitesses standard.

Remarque: La transmission M DCT Drivelogic en option a une huile nominale à long terme DCTF-1, qui ne nécessite aucun remplacement sauf indication contraire pour une réparation.

Retirez et nettoyez le filtre de transmission sur l'appareil manuel à 6 vitesses standard

Remplacer l'huile différentielle

Répétez ces opérations de maintenance à chaque service d'huile moteur 3.



Note : Pour les M3, M5 et M6, le service de 1200 milles est considéré comme le « premier » service d'huile moteur. L'intervalle nominal d'huile moteur est approx. 15 000 miles (peut varier par CBS). Par conséquent, la deuxième fois que l'huile moteur doit être changée serait lorsque le véhicule atteint environ. 16,200 mi (1200 + 15 000) mi. En utilisant le même intervalle nominal, le troisième service pétrolier serait dû à environ. 31 200 miles (nombre réel de kilomètres basé sur CBS). Cela coïnciderait avec l'opération de maintenance "Vehicle Check".

Aucun autre modèle ne nécessite le service 1200 Miles. Par conséquent, tous les modèles non-M (sauf 335d) auraient besoin de leur premier service d'huile moteur à environ. 15 000 mi.

Remarque : Le filtre d'admission d'air du moteur de la M3 n'a pas besoin d'être remplacé au service 1200 Miles. Son premier changement prévu est au service d'huile moteur qui se produit à environ. 16 200 milles, alors seulement requis à chaque autre service d'huile moteur par la suite (i.e. Env. 46 200 mi.).

Just talked to the SA at my local dealer.

They told me that the 6MT transmission fluid was good for a lifetime and didn't require replacement. Said if I wanted it, it would cost me since it's not covered under the maintenance warranty.

I disagreed, and after some research, they finally came back and said I was right, thanks to your OP. The SA didn't realize there was a separate 6MT 1200 mile checklist that was different from the DCT.

Now, they're checking to see if I got it done at the 1200 mile service. I told them I didn't think so, since I brought it up before, but they're researching it.

Thanks for making this thread, hopefully it helps alot of people out.

UPDATE- It wasn't done for me, and I'm scheduled for one tomorrow. They still said there's no checklist for the transmission service, only the Bulletin.

I had to fight it too, but I made them do everything the manual said, including replacing the 'microfilter' (air filter, I suppose) . But I agree it's probably unnecessary; wonder why manual mentions it.

Hey John, have a question for you buddy. I'm not going to drive my car much (maybe 3K a year), so will have to get a 'low mileage oil change' every year. But tech said he would NOT reset the system when doing this, so it doesn't trigger a tranny/diff oil change the 3rd time. Does that sound right? I don't know if those 2 oils are fully synthetic or not, but the same time limitation should apply to those oils, no? Just curious. And thanks for posting that, so other owners don't have to fight dealers like I had to. Take care.

John is right. It should be done for the 6spd's.

Check your invoice for the following:

PN# 83-22-0-309-031 1 1 Gearbox Oil

C17MooseDriver wrote

Just talked to the SA at my local dealer.

They told me that the 6MT transmission fluid was good for a lifetime and didn't require replacement. Said if I wanted it, it would cost me since it's not covered under the maintenance warranty.

I disagreed, and after some research, they finally came back and said I was right, thanks to your OP. The SA didn't realize there was a separate 6MT 1200 mile checklist that was different from the DCT.

Now, they're checking to see if I got it done at the 1200 mile service. I told them I didn't think so, since I brought it up before, but they're researching it.

Thanks for making this thread, hopefully it helps alot of people out.

UPDATE- It wasn't done for me, and I'm scheduled for one tomorrow. They still said there's no checklist for the transmission service, only the Bulletin.

Good for you!

elp_jc wrote

I had to fight it too, but I made them do everything the manual said, including replacing the 'microfilter' (air filter, I suppose) . But I agree it's probably unnecessary; wonder why manual mentions it.

Hey John, have a question for you buddy. I'm not going to drive my car much (maybe 3K a year), so will have to get a 'low mileage oil change' every year. But tech said he would NOT reset the system when doing this, so it doesn't trigger a tranny/diff oil change the 3rd time. Does that sound right? I don't know if those 2 oils are fully synthetic or not, but the same time limitation should apply to those oils, no? Just curious. And thanks for posting that, so other owners don't have to fight dealers like I had to. Take care.

The owners manual, says change all 3 fluids and replace the engine air filter-

If you have your key read at the time of the service, it is going to tell the advisor what is due- Usually it is an oil change, run-in service, and the microfilters.

Since BMWs key readers are not extremely accurate- it may or may not tell you that you are due for a micro filter change- Usually this can be considered corrupt CBS data and it is up to the dealership to determine if it is really needed or not-

As far as the oil change goes- when BMW does an "annual" oil change, they drain the engine oil and replace it- that is IT. They do NOT replace the oil filter during a by-time oil change. At very least, since it is ultimately going to take you over 5 years to complete your first service (16,200mls), your servicing requirements are going to be far different than the normal daily driver. You will be paying for almost all of your scheduled maintenance. It doesnt mean a whole lot- just change the trans fluid and rear end every 3 years or sooner- I like changing my oil every 6 months regardless of miles. The oil is not expensive and its easy to do-(plus i like feeling how super light the drain bolts are!!)

bogdan wrote

Check your invoice for the following:
PN# 83-22-0-309-031 1 1 Gearbox Oil

Well, my invoice has that p/n, but for the TRANNY (quantity 2). The DIFF p/n I have is 83-22-1-467-993 (quantity 1). Maybe John can set the record straight. Or maybe the tech just swapped the numbers on the invoice by mistake. All I know is he used a big 5-qt jug for the tranny; I doubt tech swapped oils.

And John, thanks a lot for your answer. Take care.

any idea what the BMW service bulletin number is?

kmarei wrote

any idea what the BMW service bulletin number is?

That would be really helpful in my battle with my SA. Thanks.

The service bulletin is SI B 00 04 08 -Maintenance and General Hints

elp_jc wrote

Well, my invoice has that p/n, but for the TRANNY (quantity 2). The DIFF p/n I have is 83-22-1-467-993 (quantity 1). Maybe John can set the record straight. Or maybe the tech just swapped the numbers on the invoice. All I know is he used a big 5-qt jug for the tranny; I doubt he used the wrong one, to be honest.

And John, thanks a lot for your answer. Take care.

It looks like you had your service done correctly! The transmission fluid comes in a larger jug that the draw from and fill the trans up until fluid starts over flowing from the fill plug hole (approx. 2 quarts)

Transmission fluid is PN 83-22-0-309-031
Diff fluid is PN 83-22-1-467-993

My invoice shows that the transmission fluid was changed under the Labor listing, but there is no mention of the transmission fluid in the Parts listing. When I asked my SA, he said they changed it. Hmm...

John,

I had the service done today and the part numbers are as follows:
Tranny: 83-22-0-406-941 *(3)
Diff: 83-22-2-282-583 *(8)

Seems to be different from what you listed.

Thinker23 wrote

John,

I had the service done today and the part numbers are as follows:
Tranny: 83-22-0-406-941 *(3)
Diff: 83-22-2-282-583 *(8)

Seems to be different from what you listed.

Yes, they are different numbers.

The transmission fluid part number that you listed and I listed are both for the same fluid yet in a different amount- For instance, your number ending in 941 is per liter, my part number is the main part number for the huge drum of fluid.

Your diff fluid is completely different- The part number I listed is for the 'original' fluid for the differential. The part number you listed is for bmws 'special' oil that is to be used if a customer complains of the differential making noise- There is a bulletin that says if there is a noise complaint, the diff fluid should be changed from the 993 fluid to the 583 fluid. It looks as if you got the special alternate fluid.

For future reference, BMW has different part numbers for different volumes of fluid. This makes is easier for some people and more confusing for others.

John@BMW wrote

Yes, they are different numbers.

The transmission fluid part number that you listed and I listed are both for the same fluid yet in a different amount- For instance, your number ending in 941 is per liter, my part number is the main part number for the huge drum of fluid.

Your diff fluid is completely different- The part number I listed is for the 'original' fluid for the differential. The part number you listed is for bmws 'special' oil that is to be used if a customer complains of the differential making noise- There is a bulletin that says if there is a noise complaint, the diff fluid should be changed from the 993 fluid to the 583 fluid. It looks as if you got the special alternate fluid.

For future reference, BMW has different part numbers for different volumes of fluid. This makes is easier for some people and more confusing for others.

I just had my 1200 mile service as well today. My parts description said

20 - 83-22-9-415-961 LSD SYN Diff
20 - 83-22-0-406-582 OIL Manual

These numbers arwe completely different than those mentioned above. How come? My service was done in Canada.

Hey John,

Just checked my record from a year ago (5/27/2008) and the trans oil wasn't changed. Now that I have moved to a different state, can the dealer here still do it for me at no charge?

Also, could this have caused any damage to the transmission?

Thanks for the thread!

John@BMW wrote

Yes, they are different numbers.

The transmission fluid part number that you listed and I listed are both for the same fluid yet in a different amount- For instance, your number ending in 941 is per liter, my part number is the main part number for the huge drum of fluid.

Your diff fluid is completely different- The part number I listed is for the 'original' fluid for the differential. The part number you listed is for bmws 'special' oil that is to be used if a customer complains of the differential making noise- There is a bulletin that says if there is a noise complaint, the diff fluid should be changed from the 993 fluid to the 583 fluid. It looks as if you got the special alternate fluid.

For future reference, BMW has different part numbers for different volumes of fluid. This makes is easier for some people and more confusing for others.

Thank you for verifying the part numbers John!

///M3Joe wrote

I just had my 1200 mile service as well today. My parts description said

20 - 83-22-9-415-961 LSD SYN Diff
20 - 83-22-0-406-582 OIL Manual

These numbers arwe completely different than those mentioned above. How come? My service was done in Canada.

Mine are the same as your's except that my tranny oil was just called OIL and my diff fluid was called POSI DIFF OIL. That should make us Canucks feel better :P

BTW my car makes the groaning noise from the rear end in low-speed tight turns like in a parking lot, so I'll assume that the above differential oil part number does not have the additive.

As long as it doesn't hurt anything, I'm not worried about it....

Mine just says "ENGINE OIL SERVICE" and that's it. No part numbers or anything like that. Am I in the clear or should I give them a heads up?

Just check with your dealer. They have all records.

I got mine changed today, after my dealer back in NY forgot to change it almost a year back.

///M3Joe wrote

I just had my 1200 mile service as well today. My parts description said

20 - 83-22-9-415-961 LSD SYN Diff
20 - 83-22-0-406-582 OIL Manual

These numbers arwe completely different than those mentioned above. How come? My service was done in Canada.

These are correct p/ns for Canada.

VanM3Lover wrote

These are correct p/ns for Canada.

So all fluids got changed on my car.

This may be "old news" but it's worth noting that it's still very much an issue. I had my 1,200 service yesterday, and while I went over the items in detail for the service with my SA the mechanic actually only did the diff and engine (not the transmission).

I questioned that, and was very happy that my SA took time to look into it, did some research, and acknowleged they'd missed the transmission. (No hassles, just a postive we messed up what can we do to fix it attitude--that goes a long way with me.) They're dropping off a a loaner to me and picking up my car so that the hassle is minimized. Of course, one time at the dealer would be preferable but they're going the distance to remediate the problem with grace and a good customer service approach--so they still have a very happy customer.

As mentioned above the checklist the mechanics use doesn't have the steps clearly outlined. And most of the cars serviced at my dealer are DCT (no transmission service req'd). So, it's pretty easy to see how this can be overlooked--not to mention the dealer had over 40 cars in yesterday for service...and M3 MTs make up a very small % of vehicles that come through there monthly (if not annually).

Recommendation: In retrospect if I had it to do over again I'd have printed a copy of the SIB from the OP. I'd have reviewed the copy of the SIB itself with the SA; and asked that she staple a copy to the work order. I would have added a little note along with the SIB saying "you probably know this already, but this seems to be a common issue due to the BMW checklist, just FYI"--don't want to piss off the mechanic. While that may not be something we "should not have to do" I think it would go a long way to help avoid this issue for others. I suspect most dealers/service depts. want to do the right thing but the protocol/steps and service volume make this not clear to them and a reminder done in friendly manner might help. Hey, this approach is worth a shot--nothing to lose.