All Black ML10RT

Has anyone had a set powder coated/Cerakoted all black? Intrested how these would look. Always liked jango's all black E88's. Figured it would have the same look.

Bigtriece wrote

Has anyone had a set powder coated/Cerakoted all black? Intrested how these would look. Always liked jango's all black E88's. Figured it would have the same look.

One set is a China-sourced replica of a BBS Y spoke wheel sold by an enterprising value brand company with zero sanctioned motorsport R&D.

The other is a proven, timeless, old school wheel fully sourced in-house by one of the preeminent race wheel companies on planet Earth (See: F1, LeMans, NASCAR, etc).

Just get the E88s. Jango's rides are amazing with those black E88s.

Good luck!

Made in China doesnt always mean low quality.

Apex wheels are VIA certified in Japan through independent 3rd party testing.

There are countless people tracking their wheels without issues.

For those in the market for a nice looking wheel for their road car, Apex is a great choice.



Hoping someone posts an all back photo, like the OP, I have been waiting for some black examples to see.

95% of wheels, including OEM wheels are from Taiwan. Even HRE wheels are from Taiwan forged blanks - they had to adjust their "made in america" language recently. Should every single person on the world who's running wheels from Taiwan immediately sell their wheels and buy BBS? lol

If someone wants to pay the premium for Japanese origin forged wheels - go at it.

From a material and manufacturing engineering perspective Forged wheels are so commoditized nowadays that anyone - even a high school kid can design a forged wheel and source an OEM/VIA/TUV quality wheel for pennies on the dollar. I mean I did this myself for an engineering project when I was a junior in college. A few hours of CAD and FEA testing is all it takes.

It's no longer the 1980s where fOrGeD wheels are some breakthrough science. Anyone can source 6061-T6 and buy a forging press for pennies on the dollar. I could care less if the forging press is running in Taiwan, US, Indonesia or Japan.

BBS obviously produces a high quality product with motorsport history and great marketing, but it is just a commoditized piece of forged aluminum at the end of the day.

Fifteen52 has a wheel similar to the ML10RT called the holeshot and offers it in all black if I remember correctly. That could give you a good idea.

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VR1 wrote

95% of wheels, including OEM wheels are from Taiwan. Even HRE wheels are from Taiwan forged blanks - they had to adjust their "made in america" language recently. Wrong. Their fully forged wheels are still sourced in the USA. Perhaps their flow forged (i.e. cast) wheels come from overseas. I'm no HRE fan. Overpriced, zero motorsport yet retails like they're owned by Richemont.Should every single person on the world who's running wheels from Taiwan immediately sell their wheels and buy BBS? lolLeap much?

If someone wants to pay the premium for Japanese origin forged wheels - go at it.It's a really neat concept of this thing called resale value.

From a material and manufacturing engineering perspective Forged wheels are so commoditized nowadays that anyone - even a high school kid can design a forged wheel and source an OEM/VIA/TUV quality wheel for pennies on the dollar. I mean I did this myself for an engineering project when I was a junior in college. A few hours of CAD and FEA testing is all it takes.Exactly.

It's no longer the 1980s where fOrGeD wheels are some breakthrough science. Anyone can source 6061-T6 and buy a forging press for pennies on the dollar. I could care less if the forging press is running in Taiwan, US, Indonesia or Japan.You mean "couldn't care less."

BBS obviously produces a high quality product with motorsport history and great marketing, but it is just a commoditized piece of forged aluminum at the end of the day.Same can be said about the automobile, but the discerning market clearly has voted with their $ that R&D excellence, performance and heritage matters in wheel world.

Buy whatever wheels you want. I personally wouldn't ever run anything less than the best.

THEROK wrote

But whatever wheels you want. I personally wouldn't ever run anything less than the best.

Incorrect about the HREs, their fully forged wheels are milled in house from forged blanks sourced from Taiwan.

THEROK wrote

Buy whatever wheels you want. I personally wouldn't ever run anything less than the best.

You are contributing nothing to this thread. I did not ask should I get E88's or ML10's.

Bigtriece wrote

You are contributing nothing to this thread. I did not ask should I get E88's or ML10's.

Unless you opt for the magnesium centers, the E88s are too heavy for their cost and are a wheel style from the 1980s. Ideally, you want lighter wheels to reduce unsprung mass and improve street ride quality. Three-piece wheels really only make sense for professional race teams so that they can replace bent inner and/or outer barrels.

As an “FYI” for a prior post, you do NOT “test” anything with the analytical finite element method (FEM). “Testing” still means physically load/strength testing. Also, FE models are only as accurate as they are modeled and most result in GIGO.

THEROK wrote

One set is a China-sourced replica of a BBS Y spoke wheel sold by an enterprising value brand company with zero sanctioned motorsport R&D.

Maybe technically true but go to a track day and tell me there's no evidence Apex wheels are up to snuff. Literally half the cars at any event run Apex successfully.

I would bet at this point that Apex wheels have more laps than any other brand in the last decade simply due to how prolific they are.

the amount of bent APEX wheels i see is insane. i know of at a least 3 people who have gone and gotten more than half a dozen wheels replaced in the last year.

we all just need to run TE37SLs thank you.

I also use to work in wheel manufacturing...

omgzirra_exe wrote

the amount of bent APEX wheels i see is insane. i know of at a least 3 people who have gone and gotten more than half a dozen wheels replaced in the last year.

we all just need to run TE37SLs thank you.

I also use to work in wheel manufacturing...

Do you know if that's with their flow formed wheels? Half a dozen seems a lot.

Haven't seen it at all with TE's or not as much? I love that damn wheel.

omgzirra_exe wrote

the amount of bent APEX wheels i see is insane. i know of at a least 3 people who have gone and gotten more than half a dozen wheels replaced in the last year.

we all just need to run TE37SLs thank you.

I also use to work in wheel manufacturing...

I am also interested in if these were flow formed vs forged.

I am on some of the VSR5's and have no issues. Granted I am not very fast, but I did go landscaping one day.

I'd love a set of TE's, but my wallet won't.

THEROK wrote

One set is a China-sourced replica of a BBS Y spoke wheel sold by an enterprising value brand company with zero sanctioned motorsport R&D.

The other is a proven, timeless, old school wheel fully sourced in-house by one of the preeminent race wheel companies on planet Earth (See: F1, LeMans, NASCAR, etc).

Just get the E88s. Jango's rides are amazing with those black E88s.

Good luck!

Apex supplies their forged wheels to Ford’s GT3 class race team. Obviously doesn’t have motorsports heritage like BBS, but they’re getting their start.
Also if you go to a track day, you see apex wheels. At car shows you see BBS. I love their wheels but it’s prestige/clout versus a practical track wheel.

omgzirra_exe wrote

the amount of bent APEX wheels i see is insane. i know of at a least 3 people who have gone and gotten more than half a dozen wheels replaced in the last year.

we all just need to run TE37SLs thank you.

I also use to work in wheel manufacturing...

Same here. I had four friends who’ve bent Apex wheels from just this past track season. It’s been a mix of flow form (five) and forged wheels (two). These guys are quick and use a lot of curb. However, they didn’t bend any of their BW TA16 forged and TA5R flow formed wheels.

I've personally slightly bent one ARC8 but my SM10s and VS5-RS' are still perfect circles after a few years of getting hammered on.

I have a friend that cracked a fairly new TA5R...

amg6975 wrote

I've personally slightly bent one ARC8 but my SM10s and VS5-RS' are still perfect circles after a few years of getting hammered on.

I have a friend that cracked a fairly new TA5R...

It appears to be user and track dependent whether Apex and BW flow formed and forged wheels bend/crack. My data points are my four sets of TA5R wheels have survived six years of aggressive track abuse at Summit Point and VIR without a single bend or crack.

M3SQRD wrote

Same here. I had four friends who’ve bent Apex wheels from just this past track season. It’s been a mix of flow form (five) and forged wheels (two). These guys are quick and use a lot of curb. However, they didn’t bend any of their BW TA16 forged and TA5R flow formed wheels.

I've bought a set of TA5Rs, they are great wheels, but i'd probably bend them or crack them if i took the "optimal" line at buttonwillow via cutting at the apex at bus stop where there's a huge freakin ditch now lmao.

and honestly that's how wheels get broken, just going fast.. optimally. lol.

omgzirra_exe wrote

I've bought a set of TA5Rs, they are great wheels, but i'd probably bend them or crack them if i took the "optimal" line at buttonwillow via cutting at the apex at bus stop where there's a huge freakin ditch now lmao.

and honestly that's how wheels get broken, just going fast.. optimally. lol.

That’s what I’ve been doing and all are still not bent. However, as you stated, with this type of punishing wheel use, you either end of bending a few or their fatigue life is used up. This is true for any flow-formed wheel and even some forged wheels

SYT_Shadow also has multiple sets of TA5R wheels. I’m curious to hear what his experience has been.

The ta5r are great wheels, but no wheel is immune to bending. Bent a oem forged m4 gt4 wheel at vir this past weekend, it happens!

My apex arc8 would bend really easily, I sold all of those years ago

I thought that this was a WTB thread.

Brandoch wrote

I thought that this was a WTB thread.

And I thought it was gonna be a picture thread via my OP but it has up hill S'd and chicaned into a totally different thread. Maybe we will see some pictures on the back straight!