E46 ou e92

spazzyfry123 a écrit

yeah_knee a écrit

Trouvé un 08 m3 avec 112000 miles sur elle pour 20k

Beaucoup de miles... Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Vous pourriez trouver un 08 avec beaucoup moins de miles pour pas grand-chose de plus que cela.

Mon budget est de 26k à la porte. Cela me met même dans les modèles 10-11 presque

ericsmg écrit

J'en discute aussi depuis quelques années. Maintenant, laissez-moi préfacer ceci en disant que je ne suis intéressé par la conduite de rue (courses rapides de ville et de canyon), mais j'ai conduit environ 7 ou 8 E9X M3s et je n'ai pas été wow'd. La puissance faible / moyenne se sent en fait un peu moins «chique» qu'un 46M sain. L'extrémité supérieure du S65 est tueuse, oui, mais en dessous disons 6k tr/min, mon temps de siège limité dans l'E9X m'a montré qu'il y a peu / pas de différence et que le 46M a plus de punch au milieu du tach.

Qu'est-ce qui me manque ? Je veux vraiment aimer l'E9XM, mais ce n'est pas le grand pas en avant que je pensais. Ce n'est pas plus rapide dans la rue et c'est seulement légèrement plus confortable, donc dépenser environ deux fois la pièce est difficile à justifier.

Je suppose que ma question est celle-ci pour ceux qui ont possédé les deux: quelle voiture, honnêtement, est plus amusante pour une utilisation générale de la rue?

L'e9x fait un grand quotidien. Il ne vous bat pas avec les 18, les sièges sont bien meilleurs, le DCT fonctionne en douceur si c'est votre truc, il sonne incroyable à n'importe quel rpm avec un échappement doux, et quand vous voulez être agressif, il est pleinement capable.

On dirait que vous savez déjà que vous préférez le 46, et si je me souviens bien, vous en avez déjà 2! Essayez le bouton d'alimentation sur votre prochain essai routier, peut-être qu'il vous aidera à atteindre plus rapidement des régimes supérieurs

Va avec l'E92. J'ai conduit le mien hier après qu'il ait siégé pendant 3 semaines. C'est génial. Je n'ai toujours pas fait passer la chose à 8300 tr/min. C'est parfait. Il ne vous battra pas juste en conduite normale. Cependant, quand vous le voulez, il peut devenir juste une bête droite.

C'est la voiture parfaite pour moi. Grande puissance. C'est aussi le dernier de la NA M3/M4. En seulement quelques années, la Chine a interdit la vente du moteur à combustion interne. De nombreux pays européens ont suivi. Vous ne verrez jamais de M3 / M4.

Ce n'est pas seulement la dernière NA M3, mais le seul v8.

Dr. Dre a écrit

Va avec l'E92. J'ai conduit le mien hier après qu'il ait siégé pendant 3 semaines. C'est génial. Je n'ai toujours pas fait passer la chose à 8300 tr/min. C'est parfait. Il ne vous battra pas juste en conduite normale. Cependant, quand vous le voulez, il peut devenir juste une bête droite.

C'est la voiture parfaite pour moi. Grande puissance. C'est aussi le dernier de la NA M3/M4. En seulement quelques années, la Chine a interdit la vente du moteur à combustion interne. De nombreux pays européens ont suivi. Vous ne verrez jamais de M3 / M4.

Ce n'est pas seulement la dernière NA M3, mais le seul v8.

Je pense que e92 m3 c'est... C'est vers quoi je tends

Sephiroth a écrit

L'e9x fait un grand quotidien. Il ne vous bat pas avec les 18, les sièges sont bien meilleurs, le DCT fonctionne en douceur si c'est votre truc, il sonne incroyable à n'importe quel rpm avec un échappement doux, et quand vous voulez être agressif, il est pleinement capable.

On dirait que vous savez déjà que vous préférez le 46, et si je me souviens bien, vous en avez déjà 2! Essayez le bouton d'alimentation sur votre prochain essai routier, peut-être qu'il vous aidera à atteindre plus rapidement des régimes supérieurs

Merci pour ça. J’en ai deux (ma femme et moi) actuellement et quelques-unes avant. Je ne dd pas mes m3s donc c'est plus une question de "fun" pour moi. Cela dit, je suis énorme sur les bonnes manières et le raffinement de la route et parfois le 46 peut être horrible à cet égard - il ne fait pas un bon DD, pas par un long tir.

yeah_knee a écrit

Je pense que e92 m3 c'est... C'est vers quoi je tends

Je pense que c'est le plus logique si vous n'êtes pas très familier avec les 46M - ils vieillissent et peuvent être assez nécessiteux.

To each his own. In my case, I drove a 2004 e46 M3 for 11 years before I got the 2011 e92 M3 last December. My only regret is the silver gray e46 was easier to keep looking clean than the jerez black e92. In every other way, my e92 is the superior vehicle and the right M for the next 11 years.

Megabrode wrote

To each his own. In my case, I drove a 2004 e46 M3 for 11 years before I got the 2011 e92 M3 last December. My only regret is the silver gray e46 was easier to keep looking clean than the jerez black e92. In every other way, my e92 is the superior vehicle and the right M for the next 11 years.

And a very nice well kept E92 you have indeed.

EricSMG wrote

I've been debating this, also, for a couple years now. Now - let me preface this by saying that I'm only interested in street driving (fast city and canyon runs), but I've test driven about 7 or 8 E9X M3s and I haven't been wow'd. The low/mid power actually feels a little less 'punchy' than a healthy 46M. The S65's top end is killer, yes, but below say 6k rpm, my limited seat time in the E9X has shown me that there is little/no difference and if anything the 46M has more oomph in the 'middle' of the tach.

What am I missing? I really want to love the E9XM but it's not the big step up I thought it was. It's not faster on the street and it's only marginally more comfortable and so spending roughly twice the coin is hard to justify.

I guess my question is this for those who've owned both: which car, honestly, is more fun for general spirited street use?

I think the E9X is a really huge step up from the E46. I still like both cars though.

Most of the time when someone tells me they are underwhelmed with the E9x they are comparing a stock, unloved E9X against a cream of the crop E46.

If you're ever in NY/CT you're welcome to drive one of mine, although now they have track suspension and stuff so they aren't good measuring sticks.

BTW, nice seeing you around here

To to the OP, you asked this question on the e9X M3 forum, so everyone answering has chosen the e9X. Ask on the e46 M3 forum (M3forum.net), and you'd get very different set of answers.

As a compliment to an F10, the e46 makes more sense, imo-- is more different. Lighter, more visceral, more engaging. The e9Xs benefits are statistical speed (I say statistical because it feels slower at low/mid RPM) and more comfort/isolation-- desirable for some in a DD, but as a "fun car" complement to the F10, much less different.

And before anyone says my view is invalid because my e46 M3 is 30XX lbs and 430 hp, that's my weekend M3. My DD M3 wagon is stock M3 weight/power (including feeling identical to driving my brothers bone stock m3 coupe)-- so I'm getting 30,000 miles/year of stock e46 m3 driving experience!

As for the e46 DSC, since people keep mentioning that-- you can flash M track mode from the CSL on the e46's MK60 DSC unit (for free), which lets you get quite sideways without intervention (or learn to drive and turn DSC off instead using the crutch). If you're willing to pay, you can have the program BMW ran on their race cars in races flashed on it. Lots of Porsche race cars retrofit the e46's MK60 because it gives them a competitive advantage.

Per BMW, the curb weight difference between them is 234 lbs. BMW's curb weights are "as typically equipped", and option loads and mods do change the weight comparison between any two individual cars. But, that can work both ways. My e46 coupe should be under 3000 lbs, with full interior and a quiet muffler, before this spring. Doesn't mean the average e9X M3 is 600 lbs heavier than the average e46 :P. The average weight between two typically equipped cars should be 234lbs.

My issues with the e9X are...
-The car feels too big on the road when really pushing it (I dislike this in my M5 as well)
-the car feels slower until you start pushing quite hard, at which point you're going too fast for public roads
-the interior feels cheaper/crappier and isn't driver oriented
-I strongly dislike iDrive
-working on it sucks compared to the older cars (main reason I sold my e9X and replaced it with the e46 M3 wagon)

All that said, you shouldn't be basing this on other peoples opinions-- drive both, get the one you enjoy driving more.

I have an E46 M3 and had an E90 M3 concurrently for 3 months. I personally prefer the E46. Both are amazing machines, but I love the look of the E46 more and the E46 feels more agile than the E90. Both are good choices, but for me the E46 is a little more compact, a little more old school and overall more my style.

Obioban wrote

To to the OP, you asked this question on the e9X M3 forum, so everyone answering has chosen the e9X. Ask on the e46 M3 forum (M3forum.net), and you'd get very different set of answers.

As a compliment to an F10, the e46 makes more sense, imo-- is more different. Lighter, more visceral, more engaging. The e9Xs benefits are statistical speed (I say statistical because it feels slower at low/mid RPM) and more comfort/isolation-- desirable for some in a DD, but as a "fun car" complement to the F10, much less different.

And before anyone says my view is invalid because my e46 M3 is 30XX lbs and 430 hp, that's my weekend M3. My DD M3 wagon is stock M3 weight/power (including feeling identical to driving my brothers bone stock m3 coupe)-- so I'm getting 30,000 miles/year of stock e46 m3 driving experience!

As for the e46 DSC, since people keep mentioning that-- you can flash M track mode from the CSL on the e46's MK60 DSC unit, which lets you get quite sideways without intervention (or learn to drive and turn DSC off instead using the crutch).

Per BMW, the curb weight difference between them is 234 lbs. BMW's curb weights are "as typically equipped", and option loads and mods do change the weight comparison between any two individual cars. But, that can work both ways. My e46 coupe should be under 3000 lbs, with full interior and a quiet muffler, before this spring. Doesn't mean the average e9X M3 is 600 lbs heavier than the average e46 :P. The average weight between two typically equipped cars should be 234lbs.

My issues with the e9X are...
-The car feels too big on the road when really pushing it (I dislike this in my M5 as well)
-the car feels slower until you start pushing quite hard, at which point you're going too fast for public roads
-the interior feels cheaper/crappier and isn't driver oriented
-I strongly dislike iDrive
-working on it sucks compared to the older cars (main reason I sold my e9X and replaced it with the e46 M3 wagon)

All that said, you shouldn't be basing this on other peoples opinions-- drive both, get the one you enjoy driving more.

How did you get an e46 M3 wagon in the US? Only the coupe and convertible were sold here.

DSilk wrote

How did you get an e46 M3 wagon in the US? Only the coupe and convertible were sold here.

That's true in europe as well, outside of one (never sold) development car at M.

But, several have been built after the fact.

Getting a PPI on the car Wednesday

Obioban wrote

That's true in europe as well, outside of one (never sold) development car at M.

But, several have been built after the fact.

I would love to see photos of yours. Was yours transitioned from an e90 or an e92?

yeah_knee wrote

The particular car I found has Jerez black exterior with fox red interior! Sick combo... looks super clean too. Not many dings or scratches

Dealership told me I can have a pre inspection at a shop of my liking. I think that?s my next step

Dont buy an 08 unless you have to. I owned an 08 and an 11.. the difference in build quality was insane. Also the 08 has a very old nav system at this point.

dmk08 wrote

Dont buy an 08 unless you have to. I owned an 08 and an 11.. the difference in build quality was insane. Also the 08 has a very old nav system at this point.

So does virtually EVERY used car. Use mapquest or waze on your phone. They are contunually updated, cost nothing, and are far more effective than any in-dash system you will find in a car.

DSilk wrote

So does virtually EVERY used car. Use mapquest or waze on your phone. They are contunually updated, cost nothing, and are far more effective than any in-dash system you will find in a car.

The iDrive in BMW controls a lot more than the nav though.. just saying if the choice is there I wouldn't buy an 08. No offense as I see you own one. I did once too

DSilk wrote

I would love to see photos of yours. Was yours transitioned from an e90 or an e92?

e46.

Link to my journal on it in my sig, but photobucket has nuked most the pictures.

If you can find a decent E46 your going to pay as much or more than an E9x. E9x is much more car.

Dr. Dre wrote

If you can find a decent E46 your going to pay as much or more than an E9x. E9x is much more car.

Not quite - a good condition, middle-of-the-market moderate-mileage 46M will you run you around 20k. That's the sweet spot for it. Most of the super high asking prices you see are either A) dreamers, or B) ultra low mileage/rare spec/6MT cars or C) both, and, most of those cars sit for a long time.

That same middle-of-the-market E9XM will run 30k plus. That's 50% more again, on average.

Now - the E9XM may indeed be much more car and so if you're looking at a $30k 46M you'd be a fool not to at least consider an E9XM in the same price range, to your point.

Obioban wrote

To to the OP, you asked this question on the e9X M3 forum, so everyone answering has chosen the e9X. Ask on the e46 M3 forum (M3forum.net), and you'd get very different set of answers.

As a compliment to an F10, the e46 makes more sense, imo-- is more different. Lighter, more visceral, more engaging. The e9Xs benefits are statistical speed (I say statistical because it feels slower at low/mid RPM) and more comfort/isolation-- desirable for some in a DD, but as a "fun car" complement to the F10, much less different.

And before anyone says my view is invalid because my e46 M3 is 30XX lbs and 430 hp, that's my weekend M3. My DD M3 wagon is stock M3 weight/power (including feeling identical to driving my brothers bone stock m3 coupe)-- so I'm getting 30,000 miles/year of stock e46 m3 driving experience!

As for the e46 DSC, since people keep mentioning that-- you can flash M track mode from the CSL on the e46's MK60 DSC unit (for free), which lets you get quite sideways without intervention (or learn to drive and turn DSC off instead using the crutch). If you're willing to pay, you can have the program BMW ran on their race cars in races flashed on it. Lots of Porsche race cars retrofit the e46's MK60 because it gives them a competitive advantage.

Per BMW, the curb weight difference between them is 234 lbs. BMW's curb weights are "as typically equipped", and option loads and mods do change the weight comparison between any two individual cars. But, that can work both ways. My e46 coupe should be under 3000 lbs, with full interior and a quiet muffler, before this spring. Doesn't mean the average e9X M3 is 600 lbs heavier than the average e46 :P. The average weight between two typically equipped cars should be 234lbs.

My issues with the e9X are...
-The car feels too big on the road when really pushing it (I dislike this in my M5 as well)
-the car feels slower until you start pushing quite hard, at which point you're going too fast for public roads
-the interior feels cheaper/crappier and isn't driver oriented
-I strongly dislike iDrive
-working on it sucks compared to the older cars (main reason I sold my e9X and replaced it with the e46 M3 wagon)

All that said, you shouldn't be basing this on other peoples opinions-- drive both, get the one you enjoy driving more.

De gustibus. I've had two E93s and my present E92 DCT ZCP since I sold my E46 M3. I don't miss the E46 with all of its associated issues: rear subframe cracking, VANOS problems, and rod end bearing recall.

Is this your E46 M3 Touring?

GVIFlyer wrote

De gustibus. I've had two E93s and my present E92 DCT ZCP since I sold my E46 M3. I don't miss the E46 with all of its associated issues: rear subframe cracking, VANOS problems, and rod end bearing recall.

Is this your E46 M3 Touring?

That’s a one off bmw made and never released. He just used an e46 touring shell and put the s54 in it.