Should I or Shouldn't I ?

Yeah...you are a moron...because our cars also have clear coat on them...you obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about...

I'd say go for it if the financial aspect is no big deal or strain on you. You'll have a brand new, under warranty M, your mods will transfer over and the frozen paint looks great. Personally, I'm a big fan of the frozen blue and red. They look incredible.

Genro757 wrote

Yeah...you are a moron...because our cars also have clear coat on them...you obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about...

Actually you're the moron because you obviously have no clue how to read. Here is what I said

At least my car doesn't look like someone at the factory forgot to apply the clearcoat to it.

I didn't say it doesn't have it.

for me unless its a good deal to be had and of greater specification to you, then you already have an LCI car modded to your taste, short of less miles and perhaps a different spec (hopefully not negativly) id rather keep the current car and do something else (aka supercharger/wrap etc). On the pros, 2013 is last year the V8 engine will be made so will be worth something once the turbo M3's are out.

PrimoM3 wrote

You Sir are a moron. Please don't make comments on things which you know nothing about.

So I am the "moron" who knows nothing. Go look into a mirror, kid. Can you wax the car with garden variety wax? Use detailer? Can you touch up stone chips? What if a bird shits on the car? How long can you leave it before the paint gets damaged? Can you drive the car to any convenient car wash, or will that "ruin" the paint? What about rain, snow, salt, etc? Frozen paint may not be bad for a garage queen, but for a daily driver? Like they said on top gear, you're paying more money for some inconvenience.

I ask anyone to show me just one example of a high mileage car with frozen paint that is still in good condition. I sure haven't seen one. My car has a 100000 km on it and the paint is almost as good as when it left the show room. A few scratches that a good detailing can easily take care of, that's all.

Majin Buu wrote

Yeah, I'm the moron. At least my car doesn't look like someone at the factory forgot to apply the clearcoat to it.

Your ignorance is laughable... It's a satin-finish and all of them have a clear coat, just not high-gloss. Everyone that sees my car in person loves it. Personally, I don't care if you like frozen's or not as looks are subjective- JUST STOP SPREADING IGNORANCE on the forum. The car is not "a serious pain in the ass to maintain". Save your worthless comments...

PrimoM3 wrote  

Majin Buu wrote

Yeah, I'm the moron. At least my car doesn't look like someone at the factory forgot to apply the clearcoat to it.

Your ignorance is laughable... It's a satin-finish and all of them have a clear coat, just not high-gloss. Everyone that sees my car in person loves it. Personally, I don't care if you like frozen's or not as looks are subjective- JUST STOP SPREADING IGNORANCE on the forum. The car is not "a serious pain in the ass to maintain". Save your worthless comments...

Thanks...and we're done

Genro757 wrote

Don't listen to the "Frozen" paint haters...you can do a search here where some of us dispel the myths of Frozen Paint care/maintenance......

for any one interested, that thread is here...

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841594

PrimoM3 wrote

Your ignorance is laughable... It's a satin-finish and all of them have a clear coat, just not high-gloss. Everyone that sees my car in person loves it. Personally, I don't care if you like frozen's or not as looks are subjective- JUST STOP SPREADING IGNORANCE on the forum. The car is not "a serious pain in the ass to maintain". Save your worthless comments...

I know it has a special clear coat. I said it LOOKS like it doesn't. I didn't say it doesn't have a clear coat.

Majin Buu wrote

So I am the "moron" who knows nothing. Go look into a mirror, kid. Can you wax the car with garden variety wax? Use detailer? Can you touch up stone chips? What if a bird shits on the car? How long can you leave it before the paint gets damaged? Can you drive the car to any convenient car wash, or will that "ruin" the paint? What about rain, snow, salt, etc? Frozen paint may not be bad for a garage queen, but for a daily driver? Like they said on top gear, you're paying more money for some inconvenience.

I ask anyone to show me just one example of a high mileage car with frozen paint that is still in good condition. I sure haven't seen one.

Bird shit, road salt can damage ANY kind of paint.

I daily drive mine and it looks beautiful always and with LESS maintenance than a normal gloss car.

You can wax it, moron, you can't polish it. Know the difference?

Take your foot out of your mouth newbie. You made a stupid comment about something you have NO personal experience with and you're digging your hole deeper.

Majin Buu wrote

I know it has a special clear coat. I said it LOOKS like it doesn't. I didn't say it doesn't have a clear coat.

yeah...we understand that you said "looks"....but you're still wrong.it doesn't "look" like that at all.

it has a satin sheen finish....not at all like a car without a type of clear coat.

PrimoM3 wrote

Bird shit, road salt can damage ANY kind of paint.

I daily drive mine and it looks beautiful always and with LESS maintenance than a normal gloss car.

You can wax it, moron, you can't polish it. Know the difference?

Take your foot out of your mouth newbie. You made a stupid comment about something you have NO personal experience with and you're digging your hole deeper.

Listen, moron, since you're so fond of that term. I've had cars driven daily, with road salt, bird shit, tree sap, etc. cover them for several days at a time, and I drove them for years, with the paint holding up with minimal damage. And all it took was buff and polish to restore it to shiny like new condition. Show me any car with frozen or matte paint that been driven in abusive conditions like that and had its paint survive. And that's another issue. Normal paint is easy to fix. What's the repair bill for damaged frozen paint? Case closed.

Hyperjack wrote

yeah...we understand that you said "looks"....but you're still wrong.it doesn't "look" like that at all.

it has a satin sheen finish....not at all like a car without a type of clear coat.

I used to live near a body shop years ago, and I remember seeing lots of cars with paint on them without clear coat. I am always reminded of them whenever I see a car with a matte/frozen finish. I'll see if I can find pics of a paint before clearcoat application. I know it doesn't look exactly the same as frozen paint, but there is still some resemblance.

Majin Buu wrote

Listen, moron, since you're so fond of that term. I've had cars driven daily, with road salt, bird shit, tree sap, etc. cover them for several days at a time, and I drove them for years, with the paint holding up with minimal damage. And all it took was buff and polish to restore it to shiny like new condition. Show me any car with frozen or matte paint that been driven in abusive conditions like that and had its paint survive. And that's another issue. Normal paint is easy to fix. What's the repair bill for damaged frozen paint? Case closed.

Case closed? You have no case... You're hanging out on a limb like an idiot and trying to grab at anything to make a point - that's MORONIC.

What you've established in your post above is that you like to treat your cars like shit and then do a bunch of polishing and buffing to attempt to restore them. Awesome - good for you - but you're in the minority there buddy.

All I use is soap and water, plus BMW Bug & Tar remover for bird crap and bugs. The latter I used on previous BMW's with gloss paint, too. What a huge pain in the ass maintenance ordeal, huh!

Majin Buu wrote

I used to live near a body shop years ago, and I remember seeing lots of cars with paint on them without clear coat. I am always reminded of them whenever I see a car with a matte/frozen finish. I'll see if I can find pics of a paint before clearcoat application. I know it doesn't look exactly the same as frozen paint, but there is still some resemblance.

Oh shoot! I retract all my previous statements... YOU ACTUALLY LIVED BY A BODY SHOP? I apologize, that certainly makes you a resident paint expert. :roll eyes:

I lived next to Rocketdyne for years - I guess I'm a rocket scientist!

Majin Buu wrote

Can you wax the car with garden variety wax?

you wouldn't need to wax it....ever. you just saved money and time.

Majin Buu wrote

Use detailer?

if you're talking about a detailer product....you don't need it. if you're talking about not being able to hire a pro detailer on your car. you can...it would be cheaper that a regular gloss job. no wax used=equals less time involved.

either way, whatever you meant...again, more money saved.

but if you want to use detailing products. they do make those for Frozen paint finishes. so, you're still wrong.

Majin Buu wrote

What if a bird shits on the car? How long can you leave it before the paint gets damaged?

what about it? would you leave that crap on a regular gloss job? no, you wouldn't. if you cared about the appearance of your car....you'd take care of it as soon as possible. just take care of it as soon as you get home. that's not high maintenance.

Majin Buu wrote

Can you drive the car to any convenient car wash, or will that "ruin" the paint?

why would you want to? just use soap and water at home. you'd be done before you ever got to your local car wash.

again, it's easy and cheaper, because no products have to be used aside from shampoo.

Majin Buu wrote

My car has a 100000 km on it and the paint is almost as good as when it left the show room. A few scratches that a good detailing can easily take care of, that's all.

here's the thing with that. and this was based of a recent conversation i had with Nathan , from C&C Collision about frozen paint care. he's an expert on this paint job.

any scratch you see on a gloss job, that you think can be buffed out.....doesn't show up on a frozen paint job. frozen paint hides those imperfections and light damages easier than gloss does.

anything deeper than that on a gloss job, you'd have to get repainted....just like a frozen job.

and that's where you'll find the only legitimate argument against frozen paint. is that it's more expensive to repair.

but, while frozen is more expensive that gloss to repair, it saves you a hell of a lot of money of car products, detailers and car washes....and most importantly, saves you time.

PrimoM3 wrote

Case closed? You have no case... You're hanging out on a limb like an idiot and trying to grab at anything to make a point - that's MORONIC.

What you've established in your post above is that you like to treat your cars like shit and then do a bunch of polishing and buffing to attempt to restore them. Awesome - good for you - but you're in the minority there buddy.

All I use is soap and water, plus BMW Bug & Tar remover for bird crap and bugs. The latter I used on previous BMW's with gloss paint, too. What a huge pain in the ass maintenance ordeal, huh!

Um, yeah, I treated used up beater cars like shit, because they were shit. And as a full time student at that time, forgive me for not having the time or money to handwash and detail the car every single weekend.

And I'd love to see how your car would look like after several years and 150000 km on the odometer, including harsh winters in the snow belt. I'd be quite impressed if it lasts that long.

Majin Buu wrote

.....I know it doesn't look exactly the same as frozen paint, but there is still some resemblance.

when it comes to the look of BMW's frozen paint, and your claim that it looks like a car without clear coat, this is what you rest your argument on?

"...but there's still some resemblance"?

man, that's weak.

German winters are just as "abusive" as those in North America...as far as daily driven abuse...I think 200kmph a couple times per week on an Autobahn plus laps around the "Ring" during the weekend count...here's a couple pics of my friend's 2011 E90 and another friends 2012 E92 both in Frozen Gray...I think the paint is holding up pretty well




Also talking to the BMW paint guys in Garching...the cost to re-spray a frozen painted bumper and a non-frozen bumper are the same price...it will run about €1100

Chowster wrote

However tempting it sounds and looks, I'd take a pass since the F80/82 M is just around the corner. If rather wait and see what the new M3/M4 have to offer.

In the meantime, it appears that you (along with the rest of us) don't have any problems keeping busy with some minor modding along the way to keep things interesting.

Although cash may be readily on hand, I'd still hang tight!!!

Agree completely. Just not enough bang for the buck to make the switch whether you can afford it or not. Do this.....figure out how much of a financial hit it would be to get the new car. Now, spend that much in mods on the current car. You will have spent the same money and have a more unique and higher performing M3.

Hyperjack wrote

you wouldn't need to wax it....ever. you just saved money and time.



if you're talking about a detailer product....you don't need it. if you're talking about not being able to hire a pro detailer on your car. you can...it would be cheaper that a regular gloss job. no wax used=equals less time involved.

either way, whatever you meant...again, more money saved.

but if you want to use detailing products. they do make those for Frozen paint finishes. so, you're still wrong.



what about it? would you leave that crap on a regular gloss job? no, you wouldn't. if you cared about the appearance of your car....you'd take care of it as soon as possible. just take care of it as soon as you get home. that's not high maintenance.



why would you want to? just use soap and water at home. you'd be done before you ever got to your local car wash.

again, it's easy and cheaper, because no products have to be used aside from shampoo.



here's the thing with that. and this was based of a recent conversation i had with Nathan , from C&C Collision about frozen paint care. he's an expert on this paint job.

any scratch you see on a gloss job, that you think can be buffed out.....doesn't show up on a frozen paint job. frozen paint hides those imperfections and light damages easier than gloss does.

anything deeper than that on a gloss job, you'd have to get repainted....just like a frozen job.

and that's where you'll find the only legitimate argument against frozen paint. is that it's more expensive to repair.

but, while frozen is more expensive that gloss to repair, it saves you a hell of a lot of money of car products, detailers and car washes....and most importantly, saves you time.

And what if it's -15 celsius out there? Are you really gonna stand outside with shampoo and water to clean up salt and grime?

And no I wouldn't deliberately leave bird shit on the car. But what if you can't wash it quickly enough? What if you were traveling for example and left the car outside? I've had previous cars where I left bird shit on them for several days without any damage. Is that safe to do with frozen paint too or will it get damaged?