Integra coming back

Plot twist: it's a CVT hybrid

I can't help but wonder why they didn't put the money and effort into a new S2000 rather than a new Integra. Honda already has a high performance FWD car in their stable but NO convertible RWD!

Jeff01234567 wrote

I can't help but wonder why they didn't put the money and effort into a new S2000 rather than a new Integra. Honda already has a high performance FWD car in their stable but NO convertible RWD!

Probably a numbers game. They still have to consider their bottom line. If they were really cool, theyd surprise us in a few years with exactly that

Jeff01234567 wrote

I can't help but wonder why they didn't put the money and effort into a new S2000 rather than a new Integra. Honda already has a high performance FWD car in their stable but NO convertible RWD!

Because more than likely it's a Civic underneath the sheet metal. I'll bet it's more or less an Acura version of a 2 door Si since they discontinued the coupe.

ky0u wrote

Probably a numbers game. They still have to consider their bottom line. If they were really cool, theyd surprise us in a few years with exactly that

Haha I don't even want to see what the S2000 would be like if it's announced in a few years. It's now or never if we want it to have any shred of ideological resemblance to the old model. Non-electrified cars are ending very soon.

Efthreeoh wrote

I had a first Gen. Bet this one has a 4-cylinder turbo and automatic transmission with no manual offered. Just like every other manufacturer... New cars are boring smart phone emulators with aps, on wheels.

Back in the day, I could make this argument as well. Manuals were cheaper, had better gas mileage, and in general were faster.

When I found that I could shift my GT-R at full throttle in the middle of "hogpen" at VIR without upsetting the balance or handling of the car, all that faded away.

Since then, especially the BMW automatics from ZF, the automatics are just as reliable, get great gas mileage, and shift better and faster than manuals. Don't get me wrong...manuals are more "fun". But modern auto's are so good, it's hard to take a manual over an automatic for a daily driver or purposed car.

Shawn

i just hope it doesn't flop like the current NSX and TLX type S.

the current civic type r is awesome though. if they can copy that into a nice acura body with an updated interior and manual they might have a winner. Or at least have a DCT option so my wife can have one. I refuse to get an auto.. none of the autos i've tried are as good as porsche pdk or m-dct.

Humdizzle wrote

i just hope it doesn't flop like the current NSX and TLX type S.

the current civic type r is awesome though. if they can copy that into a nice acura body with an updated interior and manual they might have a winner. Or at least have a DCT option so my wife can have one. I refuse to get an auto.. none of the autos i've tried are as good as porsche pdk or m-dct.

were are the NSX and TLX bad cars ? or were they victims of SUV's and electrification ?

Wow, I grew up on these cars. My first 3 cars were Integras. I would definitely buy one (even with zero need for a sporty car) except I don't really expect Acura to make anything that remotely resembles the originals.

Maybe they'll prove everyone wrong this time.

shawnhayes wrote

Back in the day, I could make this argument as well. Manuals were cheaper, had better gas mileage, and in general were faster.

When I found that I could shift my GT-R at full throttle in the middle of "hogpen" at VIR without upsetting the balance or handling of the car, all that faded away.

Since then, especially the BMW automatics from ZF, the automatics are just as reliable, get great gas mileage, and shift better and faster than manuals. Don't get me wrong...manuals are more "fun". But modern auto's are so good, it's hard to take a manual over an automatic for a daily driver or purposed car.

Shawn

I'm not making any argument about price, fuel consumption, or shift speed regarding manual vs. automatic transmissions. I've driven at least 6 or 7 very good automatics with some level of manual shift mode; those cars being several BMW loaner cars, a few Cadillac ATS, and a few trucks/SUVs. No automatic when in automatic mode shifts with the driver control that a manual provides. There is no arguing that fact. Automatics in auto-shifting mode can't read traffic and decide when to shift based on traffic conditions and driver intent of where he wants to place his car in traffic.

Moving into manual shift mode in an automatic that has the feature to manually control the transmission gear shifts is a synthetic interpretation of the true foot-clutch action. While I've not had the benefit of operating a true dual-clutch automatic, which I have read are close to a true manual, and do shift faster and more consistently than a human, they still can't anticipate when to shift in automatic mode based on how the driver wants to place his car in traffic. So while they shift fantastically fast with little throttle closure, they still don't shift when the driver wants. If the driver wants to use the manual mode of most of these manually-shifting automatics in traffic to properly place his car where he wants, there is always shift lag in the process (outside of a dual clutch auto). Is it really that tiring to use one's left leg in traffic? A true manual trans purist does not find operating a clutch as a chore.

If the idea for a daily driver is to have a transmission that shifts for itself in heavy traffic, and can offer some level of manual control when back-roading with no traffic, the point is lost on those of us drivers who prefer the true action of a foot-clutch. Shift speed is not the priority for us, but rather, shift timing is the priority.

taek wrote

Wow, I grew up on these cars. My first 3 cars were Integras. I would definitely buy one (even with zero need for a sporty car) except I don't really expect Acura to make anything that remotely resembles the originals.

Maybe they'll prove everyone wrong this time.

The Integra has always been a sport compact for younger drivers 20 - 35. That generation of people is going to expect a cell phone with wheels and some level of automation. It is antithetic to a "driver's car". The next Integra will look sporty and drive like a computer; if it doesn't, it will not sell in the volume necessary to justify the investment to produce it.

Caravaggio wrote

were are the NSX and TLX bad cars ? or were they victims of SUV's and electrification ?

hard to say. can't blame everything on electrification and and SUVs. porsche is still moving NA sports cars at over MSRP.

the NSX problem was that it is entirely too heavy and the performance is nothing groundbreaking. its basically a GTR with a mid engine. v6tt and nearly 3800+ pounds with only 2 seats.

the reviews weren't too kind to it. consumers didn't want it.
so acura had to offer heavy discounts to move them, up to $30k or more.

I loved the inegra type r but for the street, the prelude beat it out with better design and livability. This new integra will have at best a type s. Currently for me, if I'm going to purchase a front wheel drive car, then it'll be a civic type r (hopefully toned down for 2022). Nothing is going to bring back desirablity for an acura until they bring back something like the pre-hybrid nsx or legend. They're just making their current nsx to satisfy their ego and say "look what we can do with our hands" but they don't care about what the market wants.

Be nice if the production model has the silhouette of the drones outline, but cannot see a bonnet/hood that long using the civic platform.

Had an '07 Si coupe back in the day, more practical than the '06 RSX Type S I was humming and hawing between.
If they go boring route, they just end up with an ILX minus a couple doors and if they go the 'sporty' route, not sure they can compete with the BRZ/86, 4 pot Mustang, let alone the CTR.
Be interesting to see the car in the metal.

Capt Canuck wrote

Be nice if the production model has the silhouette of the drones outline, but cannot see a bonnet/hood that long using the civic platform.

Had an '07 Si coupe back in the day, more practical than the '06 RSX Type S I was humming and hawing between.
If they go boring route, they just end up with an ILX minus a couple doors and if they go the 'sporty' route, not sure they can compete with the BRZ/86, 4 pot Mustang, let alone the CTR.
Be interesting to see the car in the metal.

it is an odd market space to be in. I think you're right they are going to use the civic platform, drop the ILX name, add some performance, and call it an Integra. Basically an ILX with the Type R powertrain.

It will compete with lexus' version of the toyota 86. The Lexus UC.

I drove a 1996 Integra for fourteen years before moving to a 1 series BMW in 2010 and a 2 series last year. I'm happy with the 2 series, but I sometimes wonder what I would replace it with if anything happened to it. If Acura gets this right, I could absolutely see myself owning one when some kid filming a Tik Tok inevitably T-bones me at an intersection and destroys my M240i. The new 2 series looks fine, but the increased size and lack of a manual make me glad I got one of the last available allocations for an F22.

The Motor Trend article seemed to imply that a manual was a possibility, and that it would likely be a hybrid AWD coupe. Probably not super light, but I'm on board if it has two doors, a manual, and has a reasonably decent engine. I do wonder who this is aimed at though. Younger drivers who aren't car enthusiasts don't know how great the originals were, and older drivers may find a coupe to be impractical. I'll be curious to see how this compares to the Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86.

Humdizzle wrote

It will compete with lexus' version of the toyota 86. The Lexus UC.

That's a horrible render and will never see the light of day guaranteed.

If it's anything like this, I'm in

Humdizzle wrote

it is an odd market space to be in. I think you're right they are going to use the civic platform, drop the ILX name, add some performance, and call it an Integra. Basically an ILX with the Type R powertrain.

It will compete with lexus' version of the toyota 86. The Lexus UC.

Except UC will be RWD and this will either be FWD or AWD. As good as the ITR was, I don't want to go back to FWD or an overweight AWD system.

Here's some pretty cool footage from the event. The Integra reveal basically starts around 2:50...

shawnhayes wrote

Back in the day, I could make this argument as well. Manuals were cheaper, had better gas mileage, and in general were faster.

When I found that I could shift my GT-R at full throttle in the middle of "hogpen" at VIR without upsetting the balance or handling of the car, all that faded away.

Since then, especially the BMW automatics from ZF, the automatics are just as reliable, get great gas mileage, and shift better and faster than manuals. Don't get me wrong...manuals are more "fun". But modern auto's are so good, it's hard to take a manual over an automatic for a daily driver or purposed car.

Shawn

You mentioned it but yea it's the fun factor....there are always cars faster than yours regardless. if that is all you care about then great for you. Most of us want to have fun driving. Not just sit there and basically let it do everything for you

I'm interested if they offer a sedan.