Firearms

Question: "Why do you carry a .45?"

Ans: "Because they dont make a "46"

They make 50 though!

jimj911 wrote

I disagree and was under the impression that 9mm is such a high velocity that it doesn't have time to create much cavitation, thus the MANY stories I've heard from people who lived and died with their weapons saying they've seen too many times multiple rounds from a 9mm not stopping an assailant whereas the same placed rounds with a .40 or better yet a .45 have more impact energy, and being slower rounds they do more damage as they go through. I carry a small easily concealed Kahr CW40 with hollow points and an extended clip (mostly because a friend won it in a raffle and had no need for it and sold it cheap). My next purchase was going to be a HK 45 but I have read great reviews of the Ruger American Pistol (probably in .45).

Edit: sorry I didn't read the whole thread first and should have known this age old argument would have already commenced.

There are many stories, but when it comes down to the science of the issue. There is little to no difference between the "stopping power" of 9mm / .40cal. even .45acp for that matter. Think about your statement.... more impact energy... on the same soft target... does what? Over penetrate. The amount of variables that go into ballistic testing AND reporting is mind boggling. When you're talking about testing with the substance most closely resembling soft tissue, the results are pretty clear.

See the link i posted a while back in this thread. MOST of the .40cal rounds tested underperformed. Note that some people think a bullet that can go through 3 people is super deadly, but over penetration is an under performing characteristic.

This isn't my opinion to disagree with, these are quantifiable facts. Feel free to disagree with my opinion that the minuscule differences between 9mm, .40cal and .45acp ballistics makes the 9mm the smart decision for a cc pistol. But the tested and measured ballistics don't lie. With more and more LE agency moving back to 9mm it's fairly obvious what their opinion is.

Someone posted about military sticking with the .45. And that's fine, but who uses pistols in the military? Infantry, no. SF and SO use pistols. Who are the average CC America's most similar to, a LEO or a SEAL? What kind of a bad guy are you, an average American, most likely to encounter? The same type as a LEO or a western way of life hating military combatant who is likely wearing some type of LBV or multiple layers of clothing? The weapon system that gives you the most options is the best one. A pistol is just part of an operator's weapon system. A pistol IS my weapon system, with that being the case... reliability, size, weight, mag capacity and operational effectiveness need to balance out more so than if my pistol was a back up weapon.

14 opinions of firearm industry experts asked to choose between 9mm and 45acp. http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/45-acp-vs-9mm-ammo/#bsum-buffoni

Only one of them chose .45 and did so because his imaginary deciding scenario limited each gun to 5 rounds. Not to mention he is one of the oldest in the group. And older people tend to perpetuate what they've believed their whole lives, even if modern technology makes what they believe obsolete.

1MOREMOD wrote

They make 50 though!

This is true

You ever shot a 50 DE?

Or even better......THIS

They get a little difficult to conceal......might as well carry a saiga 12

Well said tonka

No haven't shot a 50, those de are piece of crap poser gun.

1MOREMOD wrote

No haven't shot a 50, those de are piece of crap poser gun.

50 DE is sorta neat but its an attention whore pistol

Right gold plate it along with an ak and you are set

jpnh wrote

50 DE is sorta neat but its an attention whore pistol

I've got one in 9mm. haha. It's actually called the "Baby Eagle". One of my first pistols.

1MOREMOD wrote

Well said tonka

It's probably worth noting that 2 of the 14 industry experts who chose 9mm currently work for or own companies who primarily produce .45acp firearm platforms.

When the guy who founded a company that makes high end 1911s (Wilson Combat) tells you he favors 9mm, people should probably pay attention.

I can't hit a school bus with anything so mines just for show then I book it

Desert Eagles are garbage. I wouldn't use one as a boat anchor.

1MOREMOD wrote

I can't hit a school bus with anything so mines just for show then I book it

Beard and pistol intimidation should do the trick. Especially if you have the beast with you.

Right if you can't be an operator maybe looking like one will help. Actually coming along okay need more training, wanna do edged and hands on also.

I'd like to buy an upgraded AR... like one of the $1240 sig models... my current has the fixed front sight and its very entry level, so a bit PITA.

Change uppers

1MOREMOD wrote

Change uppers

would u match an expensive upper w a crappy lower? i mean maybe

No I wouldn't but I don't have a crap lower. Colt and probably adding bcm 20 inch upper when I wanna stretch it's legs a bit

ASAP wrote

would u match an expensive upper w a crappy lower? i mean maybe

I don't see an issue with this. I have a $1000 upper on a lower i bought for $75. Never an issue.

ASAP wrote

would u match an expensive upper w a crappy lower? i mean maybe

define crappy lower?

Whats crappy about it?

All the lower does is hold the FCG and sit between the stock and the upper

There's not a tremendous amount of precision here

best upgrade IMHO aside from a decent quality upper is a good 2 stage trigger......Rock River, Larue and a bunch of others make wonderful triggers

You could stick a hacked off hunk of wood on the end of the buffer tube and I could GAF but there's no substitute for decent trigger and open sights

jpnh wrote

define crappy lower?

Whats crappy about it?

All the lower does is hold the FCG and sit between the stock and the upper

There's not a tremendous amount of precision here

best upgrade IMHO aside from a decent quality upper is a good 2 stage trigger......Rock River, Larue and a bunch of others make wonderful triggers

Agree, get a nice drop in trigger and a nice upper will likely = great rifle.

I have no issue with building a stripped lower and mating it to a complete upper. But when it comes to building an upper, even though it's pretty straight forward, i don't want a hobby gun. I want it to go bang every time i pull the trigger. So i only go with a factory rifle or a complete factory upper.

jpnh wrote

define crappy lower?

Whats crappy about it?

All the lower does is hold the FCG and sit between the stock and the upper

There's not a tremendous amount of precision here

best upgrade IMHO aside from a decent quality upper is a good 2 stage trigger......Rock River, Larue and a bunch of others make wonderful triggers

You could stick a hacked off hunk of wood on the end of the buffer tube and I could GAF but there's no substitute for decent trigger and open sights

Not crappy, just not high end... I have S&W Mp sport 2 and the damn front sight irritates me