No CSL model for the new M3?

ersin wrote

Nobody really knows yet. For the E46 it included:

Alcantara covered steering wheel
CSL brakes
CSL wheels
Different engine tune (?IIRC)


Other things I'm not sure about without looking it up:

CSL style trunk lid with integrated spoiler.



And there are probably other things I've missed.

• CSL wheels/brakes (..like you've mentioned)
• M-track mode (..minimized DSC, similar to what is offered in the E90/92...and no cruise control)
• CSL steering rack
• Alcantara steering wheel (..as you've mentioned)
• Interlagos blue exclusive color

Leica wrote

It's easy to do...

BMW-M-Mexico wrote

Well, with $$$ its not so hard to lose some 50kg. For instance, HRE wheels plus BBK will reduce weight by about 18kg to 20kg. CF boot lid and doors will lose you at least that amount. Hood may lose you a bit since its already aluminum. Then is starts getting difficult. But it can be done.

lucid wrote

The initial 100lbs will cost you around $15k. The next 100lbs will probably cost relatively more. See here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135122&highlight=weight+savings

southlight wrote

The last CSL was neither easy to do nor profitable. What has changed since then?


Best regards, south

southlight wrote

Like Jellis says, be careful with yesterday's news.


Best regards, south

Leica wrote

Have you ever heard of the "Halo Effect"?

440hpe46 wrote

I'll stick with Richter quotes and the probability rather than internet hearsay...

No E92 CSL??? I do not think so...

SCOTT27 wrote  

There will be a M3 CSL.

What you have seem to forgotten is that the E92 M3 only arrived in September 2007. We are not even a Year past. Even less so for North America and other markets.
Sure in the space of the year we have had the launch of the E92,E90 and E93 M3 models.
But these are are only variants suited to each segment respectively.

The M3 CSL will be a continuation of the M3 series but not whilst the car is over a year old on the market which is why you must have patience.
Each M3 series is a high level than what had gone before and that progression features heavily in every new generation also this has to established in the market.

The M3 CSL will not appear over night as will the performance variations of the BMW 1er Coupe (again not even a year old).
But with each generation the M3 progresses several layers above each model. As previously The way to go is Lightweight whilst the focus remains on lightweight construction , BMW want to make these performance cars bearers for "Efficient Dynamics".
"Efficient Dynamics" will feature heavily in future BMW performance cars,
PS output and driving feel is one step , But normally unheard of "efficiency"will be a key word also.

What BMW wanted to do originally has now changed direction in terms of how much lightweight technology will be used and you can expect more than what had been seen before. recent closed door tests included a M3 and a 1er Coupe using different construction techniques and materials and more PS output to their respective production engines to their road car brothers. Whilst original models were thought of along with the M6 . BMW eventually realised there was more to offer with these cars and scrapped the original ideas. Hence why the concept of the CSL series is very much work -in-progress.

It is very much probable that the production car will be considerably more expensive than it's road car brother but what you will get is a highly individual M3 model in every respect from it's road car brother .

Miracles do not happen overnight that is why you have about two years to go.

440hpe46 wrote

I'll stick with Richter quotes and the probability rather than internet hearsay...

No E92 CSL??? I do not think so...

icemang17 wrote

Sure its pricey to loose weight....but the ALMS M3 racer is 2530lbs with "485" hp.....so clearly there is over 1000lbs to loose (more considering the weight of the cage) from M3's that are going to be track cars....

JEllis wrote

I would listen to South...

Jason

ruff wrote

Thanks south,

BMW continues to throw the bogus efficient dynamics slogan out and tried to make a case for 8% increase in efficiency over the E46 which is simply false, no matter how many ways BMW tries to cook the books. The M3 gets poor mileage especially when compared to similarly performing Porsches and the ISF. I am hoping that BMW realized they missed the boat like many manufactures about the escalating oil prices and it's impact on the economy and are revising the 4 litre to implement DFI. If Porsche can do it, BMW can do it better. As great as the 4 litre is, it will struggle to survive in $5+ a gallon U.S. economy. IMO, the M3's biggest weakness by far is it's lack of fuel economy, thanks to the economy.

Imagine a M3 shedding maybe a hundred and fifty pounds with a 10-15% or so percent increase in horsepower and fuel economy. I would gladly give up the Lexus like options and pay whatever extra BMW felt obliged to charged.

ruff wrote

Thanks south,

BMW continues to throw the bogus efficient dynamics slogan out and tried to make a case for 8% increase in efficiency over the E46 which is simply false, no matter how many ways BMW tries to cook the books. The M3 gets poor mileage especially when compared to similarly performing Porsches and the ISF. I am hoping that BMW realized they missed the boat like many manufactures about the escalating oil prices and it's impact on the economy and are revising the 4 litre to implement DFI. If Porsche can do it, BMW can do it better. As great as the 4 litre is, it will struggle to survive in $5+ a gallon U.S. economy. IMO, the M3's biggest weakness by far is it's lack of fuel economy, thanks to the economy.

Imagine a M3 shedding maybe a hundred and fifty pounds with a 10-15% or so percent increase in horsepower and fuel economy. I would gladly give up the Lexus like options and pay whatever extra BMW felt obliged to charge.

JEllis wrote

I am looking forward to a next generation M3 with a straight six again (or even a 4cylTT) and E36 M3 like dimensions and weight. However, I think BMW, and all manufacturers, are up against a wall with increasing crash safety regulations running concurrent with increasing fuel efficiency needs and regulations. I think decreasing costs of exotic material manufacturing will help a lot but I forsee a transition period rapidly approaching, not unlike the 80's, where the technology needed to rapidly and efficiently produce the materials needed for light, fast, safe, and efficient cars has not caught up with design. What does this mean for us? A period where sports cars are weighed down by cumbersome safety equipment, heavy build materials, and propelled by efficient yet lower output engines. The next generation of M cars, and all BMW's for that matter, will suffer...

What will the future hold? My guess is that composites will snake there way into everything from production body panels to chasis design (not unlike the ridiculously expensive GT2 class cars of today). The sports cars of the future will be small and light, powered by turbo charged diesel 4 cyl engines with moderate output.

However, things like airbags, brakes, DSC systems, and AC systems will have to be designed and built to be significantly smaller and 50-75% lighter than the systems of today...

Jason

ruff wrote

Thanks south,

BMW continues to throw the bogus efficient dynamics slogan out and tried to make a case for 8% increase in efficiency over the E46 which is simply false, no matter how many ways BMW tries to cook the books. The M3 gets poor mileage especially when compared to similarly performing Porsches and the ISF. I am hoping that BMW realized they missed the boat like many manufactures about the escalating oil prices and it's impact on the economy and are revising the 4 litre to implement DFI. If Porsche can do it, BMW can do it better. As great as the 4 litre is, it will struggle to survive in $5+ a gallon U.S. economy. IMO, the M3's biggest weakness by far is it's lack of fuel economy, thanks to the economy.

Imagine a M3 shedding maybe a hundred and fifty pounds with a 10-15% or so percent increase in horsepower and fuel economy. I would gladly give up the Lexus like options and pay whatever extra BMW felt obliged to charge.

ruff wrote

Thanks south,

BMW continues to throw the bogus efficient dynamics slogan out and tried to make a case for 8% increase in efficiency over the E46 which is simply false, no matter how many ways BMW tries to cook the books. The M3 gets poor mileage especially when compared to similarly performing Porsches and the ISF. I am hoping that BMW realized they missed the boat like many manufactures about the escalating oil prices and it's impact on the economy and are revising the 4 litre to implement DFI. If Porsche can do it, BMW can do it better. As great as the 4 litre is, it will struggle to survive in $5+ a gallon U.S. economy. IMO, the M3's biggest weakness by far is it's lack of fuel economy, thanks to the economy.

Imagine a M3 shedding maybe a hundred and fifty pounds with a 10-15% or so percent increase in horsepower and fuel economy. I would gladly give up the Lexus like options and pay whatever extra BMW felt obliged to charge.