2023 NFL Thread

ShopVac wrote

Guy is somehow listed as the greatest coach of all time. He sucked in Cleveland, he sucked without Brady, and at times had to resort to cheating to win games.

May just be me being a salty Stiller fan who kept getting beat by Brady...but this is how I see it. Guy knows he's nothing without TB and wants out before absolutely everyone knows this.

People already know it. It was obvious then and it's obvious now, he should've never let Tom Brady leave for Tampa. Unless he can win it all elsewhere, without Tom Brady, his career will be viewed with a jaundiced eye.

I will never understand this viewpoint.....never been a fan of Belichick, not a Brady hater, but how can they be seen seperately? The single criteria for judging how great a player or coach is seems to be how many Super Bowls they've won. So Brady gets the GOAT label but Old Bill does not. Did Pats win all those games 96-95? Did they not have a championship defense? Agree that the league may have passed him by, but reality is that he really sucked as a GM these last years. NE nearly empty of talent....and look at Brady's replacements. Would any other team want those guys as starters? Brady bailed because he knew Pats were empty of offensive talent and went to a LOADED Tampa Bay team that needed a good QB. Meanwhile Bill stuck with the guy he drafted way too long.
Don't know if Bellichick will ever coach again, don't care if he does. But kind of a shame he's going out in a bad way.

Of ALL Head Coaches available next season...
I'm taking Harbaugh. Unless Mccarthy gets us to at least NFC Title game, he too will be available.

lakefront wrote

I will never understand this viewpoint.....never been a fan of Belichick, not a Brady hater, but how can they be seen seperately? The single criteria for judging how great a player or coach is seems to be how many Super Bowls they've won. So Brady gets the GOAT label but Old Bill does not. Did Pats win all those games 96-95? Did they not have a championship defense? Agree that the league may have passed him by, but reality is that he really sucked as a GM these last years. NE nearly empty of talent....and look at Brady's replacements. Would any other team want those guys as starters? Brady bailed because he knew Pats were empty of offensive talent and went to a LOADED Tampa Bay team that needed a good QB. Meanwhile Bill stuck with the guy he drafted way too long.
Don't know if Bellichick will ever coach again, don't care if he does. But kind of a shame he's going out in a bad way.

That's not why Brady left New England. Brady left for a number of reasons and it wasn't because the offense was devoid of talent. There were seasons where Brady won SBs with the equivalent of backups on offense. He was just that good, on and off the football field. Remember his first SB win in the early 2000s? David Patten and Troy Brown were the wideouts, Jermaine Wiggins the TE, and Antowain Smith the RB. Not exactly an offensive unit brimming with talent, but he still made it work. Brady was different. Seth Wickersham wrote a book a couple years ago titled, It's Better to Be Feared: The New England Patriots Dynasty and the Pursuit of Greatness. He lays out why it fell apart and you know who the sources of that book were? Brady, Belichick, and others who were there. It's a great sports book, you should check it out if you're into those.

Your success as a head coach is inextricably tied to QB play, period. You cannot sustain success without a good one. Look at all of the successful head coaches in NFL history, they had solid QBs. Walsh and Seifert had Young and Montana, Reid had McNabb and Mahomes, Parcells had Simms, Chuck Knoll had Bradshaw, Shanahan had Elway, Landry had Staubach, and the list goes on. Belichick had Brady, and while that is not the only reason why he was successful, it was a large part of it. There's no coincidence that when Brady left the New England Patriots Belichick fell off. If he were so great, he would still be competitive and he's just not. They have been a bottom third team since Brady left and the long term prospects aren't looking good.

It's absolutely fair to start to have these questions about Bill's perceived greatness. If Brady never left and didn't win a SB, and Bill didn't suck the last 3 seasons, I don't think this would be much of a discussion. It would simply be supposition, conjecture, or water cooler talk at best. But he did leave, and he did win a SB, and looked good doing it, and Bill stunk so here we are.

Imma just leave this here...cause we aint the same.

AmuroRay wrote

Bill B out in New England.
I hope the Patriots go on a historic losing seasons - and Kraft sells the team.

Let the hate flow through you.

Why would Kraft sell the team? The are the 2nd most valuable:

Dallas Cowboys, $9 billion
New England Patriots, $7 billion
Los Angeles Rams, $6.9 billion
New York Giants, $6.8 billion
Chicago Bears, $6.3 billion
Las Vegas Raiders, $6.2 billion
New York Jets, $6.1 billion
Washington Commanders, $6.05 billion
San Francisco 49ers, $6 billion
Philadelphia Eagles, $5.8 billion
Miami Dolphins, $5.7 billion
Houston Texans, $5.5 billion
Denver Broncos, $5.1 billion
Seattle Seahawks, $5 billion
Atlanta Falcons, $4.7 billion
Minnesota Vikings, $4.65 billion
Baltimore Ravens, $4.63 billion
Pittsburgh Steelers, $4.63 billion
Cleveland Browns, $4.62 billion
Green Bay Packers, $4.6 billion
Tennessee Titans, $4.4 billion
Indianapolis Colts, $4.35 billion
Kansas City Chiefs, $4.3 billion
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, $4.2 billion
Los Angeles Chargers, $4.15 billion
Carolina Panthers, $4.1 billion
New Orleans Saints, $4.08 billion
Jacksonville Jaguars, $4 billion
Arizona Cardinals, $3.8 billion
Buffalo Bills, $3.7 billion
Detroit Lions, $3.6 billion
Cincinnati Bengals, $3.5 billion



From $227 Million to $3.8 Billion. Best investment ever. Why the hell would he sell?

WOW.... I can't forking believe the NFL allowed Peacock streaming service to exclusively stream the KC vs MIAMI Playoff game!

But thanks to a workaround, I've used my Instacart app to upgrade to Plus for Free for 14 days, which also includes Peacock!

TXSTYLE wrote

WOW.... I can't forking believe the NFL allowed Peacock streaming service to exclusively stream the KC vs MIAMI Playoff game!

But thanks to a workaround, I've used my Instacart app to upgrade to Plus for Free for 14 days, which also includes Peacock!

Pissed me off. My brother was ranting about it, too. Buncha greedy bastages.

I must be the only person who pays for a Peacock subscription, mostly to watch the English Premiere League.....

I forked over the $5.99 last night to watch the game and fell asleep before half. lol. It will come in handy for the next few weeks then I will cancel.

Gotta love CJ Stroud! Dude can flat out play! Very happy he sent the Browns home. Picked them apart and had a field day!

Wonder who they will get next weekend..

MoeTE87 wrote

Wonder who they will get next weekend..

If my math is correct, Houston goes to Baltimore if the Bills win on Monday, or KC if the Bills lose.....

Well…..after first quarter, Green Bay looks like they are the hungrier team. They have definitely controlled the tempo of the game. Dallas just looks flat. :confused2:confused2

Cowboys looking great out there right now.

TXSTYLE wrote

WOW.... I can't forking believe the NFL allowed Peacock streaming service to exclusively stream the KC vs MIAMI Playoff game!

But thanks to a workaround, I've used my Instacart app to upgrade to Plus for Free for 14 days, which also includes Peacock!

I refused to participate in their money grab, The Shield has gone too far and I'll look at the boxscore for the stats.

Jordan Love eating up the defense! Cowboys look lost out there.
20-0! Looks like another one and done in the playoffs!

I can't even believe what I'm seeing.

This is an epic embarrassing performance by Dallas SMFH.
I understand that Coaches, coach. But Dallas players should be disgusted with themselves.

TXSTYLE wrote

I can't even believe what I'm seeing.

This is an epic embarrassing performance by Dallas SMFH.
I understand that Coaches, coach. But Dallas players should be disgusted with themselves.

Cowboys look ABSOLUTELY awful Marcus!! WTH!!
Prescott looks lost!

GERMAN M3 wrote

Cowboys look ABSOLUTELY awful Marcus!! WTH!!
Prescott looks lost!

I'm more pissed at this cotton candy Defense.

I’m gonna take a nap. Hopefully when I wake up this game will be more competitive.

I'm done.
And so is Dallas.

Damn Dak!! Pick 6! This game is over!! All this talent…..

The 'Boys need one hell of game plan for the second half. Get TB12 on the phone. LOL