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1. Is it okay for me to use 2 different brands front and rear?
2. Hankook Ventus V12 Evo Vs. Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta Vs. Falken FK452 vs. Yokohama S. Drive Vs. Continental Extreme Contact DW?

tire combinations to use?

tire sizes?

Spacer reccomendations....?? Macht Schnell/RS Technik/Turner Motorsports?

Spacer sizes recommendation?

TIA,

Andre
as far as tire choices i have listed... is there one which is the "bang for the buck"

Andre
lionheart90k wrote
1. Is it okay for me to use 2 different brands front and rear?
2. Hankook Ventus V12 Evo Vs. Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta Vs. Falken FK452 vs. Yokohama S. Drive Vs. Continental Extreme Contact DW?

tire combinations to use?

tire sizes?

Spacer reccomendations....?? Macht Schnell/RS Technik/Turner Motorsports?

Spacer sizes recommendation?
As TrackRat says, it is not recommended to mix tires, but if you are careful and try out the combination in a safe way, it can be okay on a temporary basis. I think the Vredestiens are a very good value and for street use, at least, perform on par with PS2s. Assuming you are talking about stock wheels, 255 & 275/35s can be used as an alternative to the stock sizes, though the wheel width is not quite ideal for these. 12 mm spacers F&R or 15 mm F & 12 mm R are popular combinations to flush out the tires with the body. I have used the Rogue Engineering spacers, which are high quality and very light: http://www.rogueengineering.com/rogue/W-SPACER/WSPACER.html.
Generally as others have said, you don't want to mix and match tires.

Of the ones you mentioned, continental is the better set. Personally, I wouldn't go with any of the tires mentioned on this car.
^^^^ Why so?

Andre
lionheart90k wrote
^^^^ Why so?

Andre
They are all mediocre performance tires, tires I wouldn't ever use on this car. It would be quite a downgrade to take a beautifully designed suspension that has great road holding ability and degrade it with a simple tire swap.

It's true, the M3 is isn't an E30 in the weight department, but its suspension is great.

I would stick to tires like the Potenza RE-11, Potenza S0-4, Michelin PS2, Michelin PSS, AD08, Goodyear Assymetric, etc.

You generally will pay a lot more for tires of this caliber, but the difference is well worth it.
Malekreza11 wrote
They are all mediocre performance tires, tires I wouldn't ever use on this car. It would be quite a downgrade to take a beautifully designed suspension that has great road holding ability and degrade it with a simple tire swap.

It's true, the M3 is isn't an E30 in the weight department, but its suspension is great.

I would stick to tires like the Potenza RE-11, Potenza S0-4, Michelin PS2, Michelin PSS, AD08, Goodyear Assymetric, etc.

You generally will pay a lot more for tires of this caliber, but the difference is well worth it.
Are your comments subjective or objective? It's tough, for instance, to find comparative test reports on the Vredesteins. Best I've found is European user reports whcih seem to place them near equal to the PS2s. The PSSs, however, are shaping up to meet Michelin's assertions that they are a step above the PS2s in several areas, but there isn't a large enough data base or test reports yet to say for sure. Only 2 user reviews here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Super-Sport.htm. I think I will go with the PSSs next, despite the roughly 30% premium over the Vreds.
GregW / Oregon wrote
Are your comments subjective or objective? It's tough, for instance, to find comparative test reports on the Vredesteins. Best I've found is European user reports whcih seem to place them near equal to the PS2s. The PSSs, however, are shaping up to meet Michelin's assertions that they are a step above the PS2s in several areas, but there isn't a large enough data base or test reports yet to say for sure. Only 2 user reviews here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Super-Sport.htm. I think I will go with the PSSs next, despite the roughly 30% premium over the Vreds.
I have owned a lot of those tires minus the PSS and AD08, but we have set up customer cars with all the above tires, so therefore I have my experiences with them along with the clients.

My findings are objective.

On a subjective standpoint, I like Michelin and Bridgestone over most others, but subjectivity is not important in this case.

One thing I do not like about the Michelin PS2 on the M3 is the fact that the sidewall is a little soft, but its to the point that it creates a tremendous amount of wheel/axle hop. In fact, its devastatingly violent with these tires. Interestingly enough, many have complained about wheel hop on their E9X cars and thought it might be the chassis design, but for my case current and previous, with other much more powerful cars, the PS2's are a "hoppy" tire if we are talking about ripping out of the hole. This is where I tend to like the Bridgestone better, but most Bridgestones (except RE-11) are super heavy. This is commonly why I have found that their sidewalls are so stiff and don't have the tendency to give as much as the Michelin's.

I am very excited about the PSS tires. I can't wait to try them soon enough.
Malekreza11 wrote
I have owned a lot of those tires minus the PSS and AD08, but we have set up customer cars with all the above tires, so therefore I have my experiences with them along with the clients.

My findings are objective.

On a subjective standpoint, I like Michelin and Bridgestone over most others, but subjectivity is not important in this case.

One thing I do not like about the Michelin PS2 on the M3 is the fact that the sidewall is a little soft, but its to the point that it creates a tremendous amount of wheel/axle hop. In fact, its devastatingly violent with these tires. Interestingly enough, many have complained about wheel hop on their E9X cars and thought it might be the chassis design, but for my case current and previous, with other much more powerful cars, the PS2's are a "hoppy" tire if we are talking about ripping out of the hole. This is where I tend to like the Bridgestone better, but most Bridgestones (except RE-11) are super heavy. This is commonly why I have found that their sidewalls are so stiff and don't have the tendency to give as much as the Michelin's.

I am very excited about the PSS tires. I can't wait to try them soon enough.
Good comment on the wheel hop. Tires, like most things, are a compromise in one way or another. The Michelins tend to be 2-4 lbs. lighter than many others, which is significant and a boon for handling on less than smooth surfaces. They also have good ride comfort, likely because of that softer sidewall. Turn in still seem quite good, though. Yes, I'm looking forward to the test reports in the next few months.
I admit the V12s aren't the best tires.... but after having them on my mom's SLK and driving the car in the canyons a lot, they gripped very well

I think V12s are great for street use if you don't plan on pushing the M3 too far
If not then check out Michelin pilot sport a/s plus. They do come in a run flat but the with needs to be 245 at a minimum I think. Most 3 series run on a 225/45 r17 or 18
^^^ Thanks but i don't roll in 225/45 R17 or 18...
need something in 245/35 19 and 265/35 19 or 275/35 19

not looking for RFTs... i hate RFTs... they are hard and uncomfy at least for me

Andre
mweisdorfer wrote
If not then check out Michelin pilot sport a/s plus. They do come in a run flat but the with needs to be 245 at a minimum I think. Most 3 series run on a 225/45 r17 or 18
The thing you need to know is that M3's do not come with run flats.